From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Oct 22 22:15:35 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 22 Oct 2009 22:15:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N1CUx-0000gx-8Q for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Thu, 22 Oct 2009 22:15:35 -0700 Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([75.180.132.123]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N1CUt-0000fg-FA for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 22 Oct 2009 22:15:35 -0700 Received: from chausie ([71.75.215.96]) by cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20091023051524769.TWXY17264@cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com> for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 05:15:24 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45D333EC4 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 01:15:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: danfu dandu danlu Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 01:15:19 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <5715b9300910221359y76c159d9t4a41eb06d93f594c@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <5715b9300910221359y76c159d9t4a41eb06d93f594c@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200910230115.21638.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-archive-position: 16390 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@phma.optus.nu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Thursday 22 October 2009 16:59:18 Luke Bergen wrote: > While studying vocab I noticed the existence of {danfu}, {dandu}, and > {danlu}. I don't find those confusing. The ones I continually mess up are the words that both sound and mean the similar: ratcu/ractu, garna/grana, mulno/culno, karce/carce/marce, stizu/stuzi (some uses of "seat" are more stuzi than stizu). I also confuse "jivna" and "javni" because their rafsi could have been each other's, so a lujvo like "jvojva" doesn't help me remember whether "rule" is "jivna" or "javni". As to cmavo: some groups, like BAI and TAhE, are scattered over cmavo space, while others, like LE and ZI and VI, are arranged regularly (with the exception that I made several interrogative conjunctions break the rules). One sub-selma'o that I think should have been scattered instead of arranged is the ko'a-series. They differ only in the last vowel, which is normally unstressed, and before a brivla like "krataigo" can't be stressed unless a pause comes after it, so it's easy to mishear e.g. "ko'o" as "ko'u". Of course Lojban isn't the only language with this problem; Portuguese has "ele" and "ela". Pierre -- li ze te'a ci vu'u ci bi'e te'a mu du li ci su'i ze te'a mu bi'e vu'u ci To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.