From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Dec 02 18:17:22 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 02 Dec 2009 18:17:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NG1Fx-0000LM-7d for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 18:17:21 -0800 Received: from mail-yw0-f187.google.com ([209.85.211.187]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NG1Fh-0008Os-Tl for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 18:17:11 -0800 Received: by ywh17 with SMTP id 17so923691ywh.2 for ; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 18:16:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=NVOI+JzA2heg2Keowf5Rr4mXQxCIR0IZuVA0pxxXwSk=; b=xBN/1A9y+oF9IHaB1NusCDHiu5HaOOFmwqJYkvjJBal4OGtacd7UOibW12rj9d6OKr SppPPL+WruNWlYjv6+e8aRQg4CPSKPQA0moWchN9rRhMuUy98eamZBcAFKLrk1ZPGYI9 oZ/nRqsAwBvq4qUQYl/xV62gYrBpe750jLsdA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=EWV2iFXtWp2Bn8rGBtdERl60UEH+DFpTReTAv13XK1wPsSvFGwf2dnhr+ARI2Ecgym I4OeIwvszVbffp8WeWXz7Yl4LZ/7KeICUHnJVtpNEPlqRd7UTzSYOmxm58zsbvsgTZ8n L+gReFmq4cCyg+nsrRcvSwaphbWyIoBDkIHyY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.27.31 with SMTP id a31mr1663017yba.296.1259806618522; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 18:16:58 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <27513e550912021801i1c49b525v757c036a3a6027b0@mail.gmail.com> References: <8CC41AF704BAC7D-5C80-CC63@webmail-d022.sysops.aol.com> <5715b9300912021606u56f13b84q720a45f0a9a59315@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9300912021634q4b44aa1frd66a8076db2cddbb@mail.gmail.com> <27513e550912021801i1c49b525v757c036a3a6027b0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 21:16:58 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: [lojban] Re: LFB print From: Matt Arnold To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 16542 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: matt.mattarn@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list The book would have to be called an unofficial dictionary, or just a wordlist. Most Lojbanists, I included, have wanted a dictionary for a long time. The roadblock is that many of the rare and obscure cmavo are still being worked on by the BPFK. In fact, even the most common words in the language, "le" and "lo", have split between the formal rules and the actual usage, a set of improvements named "xorlo". However, that still leaves a vast amount of the language that is uncontroversial and unlikely to change. If a book containing such a list had "unofficial" right in the title, and it was understood that the LLG does not put its stamp of approval on it, it might be possible. I would love that. -Eppcott On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 9:01 PM, Oren wrote: > Lulu looks cool-- whats stopping LLG from doing something there? If we need > donations, I'll pitch in! I want a dictionary too (with example sentences of > course, otherwise the book would be far to small!)! > > BTW, I took the initiative and put smaller versions of the JPGs on my > server, visible here: > > http://newpine.net/rsc/dl/lojban/sethLFBprint > > (Seth- I'm assuming they're like, creative commons usage or whatever, > otherwise I'll take them down. Also-- I like how, for scale, you chose to > compare the book cover to religious material, not only giving clear contrast > to physical dimensions, but also clear contrast between ambiguous and > unambiguous sets of vocabulary.) > > mu'o mi'e ku'us > > On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 08:34, Luke Bergen wrote: >> >> I forgot to mention, I've really been looking forward to getting a printed >> dictionary.  Good luck with it.  I hope we/you get one published soon. >> >> If such a dictionary is not going to contain lujvo would it make sense for >> it to be an english-> lojban AND lojban->english since there will probably >> be extra room? >> >> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 7:06 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: >>> >>> Indeed, nice work.  And yeah that's what photobucket and friends are >>> for.  Although it didn't give me a problem.  I didn't think many people had >>> dial-up any more.  Gmail loaded the messages in a couple of seconds as >>> thumbnails. >>> >>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 6:49 PM, Matt Arnold >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Seth, >>>> >>>> Setting aside the issue of emailing photos at unnecessarily-high >>>> resolution, that is a nice-looking book. Thank you for using my >>>> graphic for the cover, and thank you for showing it. >>>> >>>> -Eppcott >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Seth wrote: >>>> >  Just thought i would show off my brand new hot off the press copy of >>>> > Lojban >>>> > for Beginners, which i printed here on BYU campus for around 20 bucks. >>>> > It >>>> > just might be the first bound copy of the book. Tell me what you >>>> > think. I >>>> > also designed the cover using epcott's brilliant flag. The dvd in one >>>> > of the >>>> > pics is to show the relative size of the book. It is about an inch >>>> > thick. >>>> > >>>> > within the next month, i plan on finishing the first bound >>>> > lojban-english >>>> > dictionary. The standard wordlists are the focus for this pocket >>>> > dictionary, >>>> > so I will not be including any lujvo, as they are not a finite set, >>>> > and can >>>> > be recreated from the basic wordlists. Any recommendations for the >>>> > design of >>>> > this? Any recommendations on the title? >>>> > >>>> > seryf >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to >>>> lojban-list-request@lojban.org >>>> with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or >>>> if >>>> you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. >>>> >>> >> > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.