From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Dec 02 18:21:56 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 02 Dec 2009 18:21:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NG1KN-0000y4-IF for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 18:21:56 -0800 Received: from mail-yx0-f202.google.com ([209.85.210.202]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NG1KA-0000Zp-JB for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 18:21:47 -0800 Received: by yxe40 with SMTP id 40so808018yxe.28 for ; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 18:21:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=uH7veEZY92Q1OibPPtCabxgnsnHpG+8lkoharGGHACE=; b=XYUIZl91snUBQoFojs/a9e9raeLyJ48AmiFZMx+e/IctiRxaazi1X9Xz9oUSU33DSa yNLTYygrdBFUG1/Fz0BK6KXPpnN5KHilU/BEBhbCDxfFuE8qeC8pq8a8lDGBsXhDZjGw hCfsOFzbxvg+8SRQydMKvacTUzxrI3+3Rcy0w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=A0H4lyfVVCoxok3KyjKtlWMXhhaF/QJre+VTHFmDyPzzriSbVUwcS/SpFw/gOfdaFu La8Ihk3P1/29JfQTYysIKm+xJ9CClpFRiksxc5u2NWxjr4gLx4gpeUUb/HmXBSRU2ilu AZKr1UFsIP62ZSwa4/RbhpFrGSF9URMQCoA0Y= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.16.35 with SMTP id 35mr1405178agp.54.1259806894493; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 18:21:34 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 20:21:34 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: [lojban] what's a du'u? From: Thomas Jack To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-archive-position: 16543 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: thomasjack@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list Suppose {la .tom. du la .tomas.} is true. What if any is the difference in meaning, then, between {mi djuno lo du'u la .tom. du la .tomas.} and {mi djuno lo du'u la .tom. du la .tom.}? Supposedly a du'u is a predication, a bridi. The following both seem true to me: {lu la .tom. du la .tomas. li'u bridi fi la .tom. ce'o la .tomas.} {la .tom. ce'o la .tomas. du la .tom. ce'o la .tom.} Therefore, I'd think {lu la .tom. du la .tomas. li'u bridi fi la .tom. ce'o la .tom.} would be true as well, which makes me think that {mi djuno lo du'u la .tom. du la .tomas.} and {mi djuno lo du'u la .tom. du la .tom.} are equivalent. Is this right? I think I must have misunderstood something along the way, because if {lu co'e li'u bridi} is true, and a du'u really is just a bridi, I'd think we could just use lu/li'u in place of du'u. But, despite my misunderstandings (and whatever stupid mistakes I surely made), I hope you can understand the real point of my question. To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.