From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Dec 02 19:33:46 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 02 Dec 2009 19:33:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NG2Rt-0006Ph-U0 for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 19:33:46 -0800 Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([75.180.132.121]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NG2Rg-00061F-Ea for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 19:33:37 -0800 Received: from chausie ([71.75.215.96]) by cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20091203033325620.OZDH20286@cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com> for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 03:33:25 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 395A0CAEC for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 22:33:25 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: what's a du'u? Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 22:33:21 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200912022233.22920.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-archive-position: 16545 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@phma.optus.nu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Wednesday 02 December 2009 21:21:34 Thomas Jack wrote: > Suppose {la .tom. du la .tomas.} is true. > > What if any is the difference in meaning, then, between {mi djuno lo > du'u la .tom. du la .tomas.} and {mi djuno lo du'u la .tom. du la > .tom.}? > > Supposedly a du'u is a predication, a bridi. The following both seem true > to me: {lu la .tom. du la .tomas. li'u bridi fi la .tom. ce'o la .tomas.} > {la .tom. ce'o la .tomas. du la .tom. ce'o la .tom.} I'd say rather {lu la tom. du la tomas. li'u bridi fi lu la tom. li'u ce'o lu la tomas. li'u}. i la tom. du la tomas .iku'i lu la tom. li'u na du lu la tomas. li'u Now there are various du'obri which are more or less obvious, depending on what one knows: .i la tom. du la tom. (which could be false, if there are two Toms) .i la tom. du la tomas. .i la kot.diVUAR. du la xantyde'i xaskoi .i la kikeron. du la tulius. .i lo rikteropu cu du lo tu'urselde'i .i lo .arxokuna cu du lo prokiono lo lumge'u .i lo finti be lo lidyjesni cu du le pamoi ke merko mrijatna mu'omi'e .pier. -- Don't buy a French car in Holland. It may be a citroen. To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.