From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Dec 03 15:13:28 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 03 Dec 2009 15:13:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NGKrY-0003gP-EV for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 15:13:28 -0800 Received: from mail-gx0-f224.google.com ([209.85.217.224]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NGKrE-0003H7-F1 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 15:13:11 -0800 Received: by gxk24 with SMTP id 24so1102637gxk.6 for ; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 15:13:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=CgCltIFRakzpWz56lxhKe4ajwuUllHfh6330rLpYpSo=; b=VREazwRkqHF/u0VvYxMYZn/ITqUdrwdshr0A9QPEvrdowouwTPIDMuZ1z+PhVdg9Yw kxQj3K10bQUnKy2y/+e92Lhtbthf25O0AuqcKONXVNHJpKdbGEEwETOZsefX8kLAGEbw ClVVnU8h9RpymhYZAMN/P5+maPztG1vAW0yoE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=RHGPvx1tTFMY3/qqMXhzXdF/vf4OLtria5csvdns8awHdpriy2G5lX/SlvvVexqIx3 pA7VLDSLPp8iCNIXUdWockP+e185h/oNY18rlOgc0HaaJa1U2NISxFQMTkwAjnxS7qMo xfaYMiSuzATPXK0aSlVJJY8AlULKNtqNtAzro= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.7.36 with SMTP id 36mr3497075agg.32.1259881981737; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 15:13:01 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <925d17560912031025v756adb41x909ab4dc11f28fe@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560912031351u371119c8nce6329be6fd90728@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 20:13:01 -0300 Message-ID: <925d17560912031513q7bbc1d1bu89ddeb8c21f48172@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: what's a du'u? From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 16565 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 7:27 PM, Daniel Brockman wrote: > > Assuming that we do want separate terms, though, and that we want > {bridi} to be about the predication rather than the text, --- do you > have any thoughts or opinions about how we could, would, or should > refer to the parts of speech?  I sketched up a kind of ad-hoc system > based on -pau --- any comments on that? "Parts of speech" are single words, right? Those are all the selma'o plus the honorary selma'o BRIVLA and CMEVLA. I prefer to think of things like sumti, selbri, bridi, relative clause, prenex, etc as structures in themselves rather than as parts of something else, so maybe "stura" rather than "pagbu". I guess the technical term is "phrase". > Hmm, {sumti} has a very analoguous problem.  The gimste says (even > more explicitly than in the case of {bridi}) that sumti1 and sumti2 > are both text. Which doesn't make a lot of sense. If "lo mlatu" is a sumti, what are its selsumti and its tersumti? > Would you prefer sumti1 to be lo cmima be bridi3 and > sumti2 to be bridi2?  I would, I think (for symmetry with {bridi}, if > nothing else). Right. > On the other hand, the word words --- like {gismu}, {cmavo}, {lujvo}, > etc. --- don't really have this problem.  At least not to this severe > degree. I don't really know what to make of the x3 of gismu and lujvo, or the x4 of lujvo. > What other grammar words do we have? lerfu, slaka, rafsi, gadri, tanru, valsi, jufra There may be some more I'm forgetting. mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.