From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Dec 03 16:43:07 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 03 Dec 2009 16:43:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NGMGI-00033j-TR for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 16:43:07 -0800 Received: from mail-ew0-f217.google.com ([209.85.219.217]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NGMG5-0002dr-7S for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 16:42:58 -0800 Received: by ewy9 with SMTP id 9so1144933ewy.11 for ; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 16:42:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=8WT/WBQVlsJhdNtLveTlRH0nbdBDEBCKeF0RjI8mEV0=; b=CQ5ntl0rOBGtzXB07ZpypYGA5Wy0FfvMtApizhFkSCuXtSoSVPaJFtCOtgpKFKTZuZ /P3WPfae1k0gQeddKdCvtttbUbSBDnpMYEI+O4UFl5Qh+2urCjEVgowdVV4WSfn7ng0Z vGvtWXpyXVlb+xn74K39/w6NgDtOUvxUp6yFE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=PT6A484xmSjOjnVv19ymd5LJcRZAXqeEtZkJ66WJ4x0ln2gvDVkZINyx2AZG15QjO1 Y25rvcGMOzi5V1tMG8HrAH2//9pwkuMOUjGRkbnQY5zpNaAnFqhFHKC/duM1OfI0jz4V z/Fl1JLiGqGq0/xfD97suwP4nafuODLSaDZDk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.86.135 with SMTP id w7mr789896wee.176.1259887366186; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 16:42:46 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <27513e550912031607o6a8cf91gf4bbc7c400ad74e7@mail.gmail.com> References: <702226df0912031545r6cd4c3b3q49f773eb306ad17d@mail.gmail.com> <702226df0912031552q7f7fb0a1y5f8b8b9f05049b7d@mail.gmail.com> <27513e550912031607o6a8cf91gf4bbc7c400ad74e7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 18:42:46 -0600 Message-ID: <702226df0912031642i3510e69ay72598b91d26397e4@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: Smart.fm and Lojban From: "Jon \"Top Hat\" Jones" To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d64956eb280a0479dc62dd X-archive-position: 16573 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: eyeonus@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --0016e6d64956eb280a0479dc62dd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 So, you vote all-inclusive, then? And as for the audio, dict.cc wouldn't be of any help, due to the simple fact that it doesn't have lojban. If anyone does already have audio of the 1200 or so gismu, THAT would help. On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Oren wrote: > I haven't taken a hard look at the options available for smart.fm, but I'd > say from my personal study, I prefer the concept on one side, all the > information about it on the other side, and then an example of usage on a > third side if possible. > > As for collaborative audio, another platform that could be used (once they > add lojban, of course) is dict.cc, which already streamlines user-driven > online mp3 recording and verification. Dict.cc databases are always > available for download. > > mu'o mi'e ku'us > > > On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 07:52, Jon "Top Hat" Jones wrote: > >> Addendum: I've added the alphabetically first gismu, bacru, to the lesson >> to provide an example of what the entries would look like. >> >> >> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 5:45 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones wrote: >> >>> I've decided to add the gismu as a lesson on Smart.fm, and I wanted to >>> discuss this with rodo. >>> >>> First, I'd like to invite anyone interested in helping to complete the >>> lesson to do so. I'm not certain how collaboration works, but I do know it's >>> possible. >>> >>> Second, I have a question as to formatting for the individual items, that >>> being, which entry method would be better for learners? >>> >>> 1) All-inclusive, i.e.: >>> >>> Item: >>> text: klama >>> translation: x1 travels to x2 from x3 via route x4 by means of x5 >>> >>> 2) Individual, i.e.: >>> >>> Item: >>> text: lo klama >>> translation: A traveller >>> >>> Item: >>> text: lo se klama >>> translation: A traveller's origin >>> >>> Item: >>> text: lo te klama >>> translation: A traveller's destination >>> >>> Item: >>> text: lo ve klama >>> translation: A route travelled >>> >>> Item: >>> text: lo xe klama >>> translation: A method of travelling >>> >>> 3) Both 1 and 2. >>> >>> Lastly, seeing as Smart.fm's English text-to-speech will incorrectly >>> pronounce Lojban words, and assuming that no language pronounces things >>> exactly as Lojban does, audio needs to be recorded for each entry so that >>> learners hear the words as they are meant to be heard. So, should each >>> contributor record the audio for the entries s/he contributes, or should one >>> person be selected to do all the audio? >>> >>> -- >>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>> >>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >> >> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu >> >> > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu --0016e6d64956eb280a0479dc62dd Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So, you vote all-inclusive, then?

And as for the audio, dict.cc woul= dn't be of any help, due to the simple fact that it doesn't have lo= jban. If anyone does already have audio of the 1200 or so gismu, THAT would= help.

On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Oren <get.oren@gmail.com= > wrote:
I haven't taken a hard look at the options available f= or smart.fm, but I'd = say from my personal study, I prefer the concept on one side, all the infor= mation about it on the other side, and then an example of usage on a third = side if possible.

As for collaborative audio, another platform that could be used (once t= hey add lojban, of course) is dict.cc, which already streamlines user-drive= n online mp3 recording and verification. Dict.cc databases are always avail= able for download.

mu'o mi'e ku'us


On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 07:52, Jon "Top Hat&qu= ot; Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
Addendum: I'v= e added the alphabetically first gismu, bacru, to the lesson to provide an = example of what the entries would look like.


On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 5= :45 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wr= ote:
I've decided = to add the gismu as a lesson on Smart.fm, and I wanted to discuss this with= rodo.

First, I'd like to invite anyone interested in helping to complete = the lesson to do so. I'm not certain how collaboration works, but I do = know it's possible.

Second, I have a question as to formatting for the individual items, th= at being, which entry method would be better for learners?

1) All-in= clusive, i.e.:

Item:
text: klama
translation: x1 travels to x2= from x3 via route x4 by means of x5

2) Individual, i.e.:

Item:
text: lo klama
translation: A t= raveller

Item:
text: lo se klama
translation: A traveller'= s origin

Item:
text: lo te klama
translation: A traveller's destination

Item:
text: lo ve klama
translation: A route travelled

Item:
text: lo xe klama
translation: A method of travelling

3) Both 1 and 2.

Lastly, = seeing as Smart.fm's English text-to-speech will incorrectly pronounce = Lojban words, and assuming that no language pronounces things exactly as Lo= jban does, audio needs to be recorded for each entry so that learners hear = the words as they are meant to be heard. So, should each contributor record= the audio for the entries s/he contributes, or should one person be select= ed to do all the audio?

--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko klama le = bende pe denpa bu




--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko kl= ama le bende pe denpa bu





--
mu'o mi'e .aion= ys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu

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