From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Dec 03 20:20:35 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 03 Dec 2009 20:20:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NGPel-0002jp-6G for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 20:20:35 -0800 Received: from mail-yw0-f187.google.com ([209.85.211.187]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NGPeV-0002Jb-Qh for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 20:20:24 -0800 Received: by ywh17 with SMTP id 17so2212676ywh.2 for ; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 20:20:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=12yNtr9YOwp9vNhg2/9bQtXgw57PbhguZYg6O6fnAFM=; b=Bxpn08UzqKsuTKgIc/Wo7ximLheIQyM2TTnSkdtP8oJaDvCLmqvzo6avLfmQfdyZkB rAghrplgUdH2Fp/0WEpm58nebAf39a9LWszm+mA43+uut6RLqgmW/7uwNfwh+aJWEgjN ADqag/gjoiwPBtXAdIo0CGgwolCe3hXoP5We4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=pPdMi4BwSELf2MpjR1yqvHHGzZEY6s6IkE7qu8uppNUDfXcKmwyhckzGmfrbU37juV ZnabJb6U9swEPh4VPpDfsS5rS2KqbleBBGWUNR0Uky1dN+FDlaHEm1K3ELl81jMOXvAa VMLspr8RQu13WIjqKW6dCt26i1Aq5Ys6toTbI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.141.15 with SMTP id o15mr4513755ybd.86.1259900412666; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 20:20:12 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <925d17560912031747p787165d9i5f21be755a3e8c24@mail.gmail.com> References: <925d17560912031351u371119c8nce6329be6fd90728@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560912031513q7bbc1d1bu89ddeb8c21f48172@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9300912031540i41f36591mb91b3384f7ae11d7@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560912031606o84fd29cg3b882f9e620ef901@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9300912031705k6a6cd55cg7744ff3e77a094a7@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560912031717m680d2f6dlf15460ab4292655a@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9300912031733l1be9f2b2y4faa4f278bc32ab3@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560912031747p787165d9i5f21be755a3e8c24@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 23:20:12 -0500 Message-ID: <5715b9300912032020g6731b9bfw92550dcda7ed5554@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: what's a du'u? From: Luke Bergen To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd760548ca5570479df6c72 X-archive-position: 16584 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --000e0cd760548ca5570479df6c72 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable really? That still doesn't sit right with me. After looking around I foun= d this in the CLL: http://www.lojban.org/publications/reference_grammar/chapter7.html#s6 "The cmavo ``go'i'', ``go'a'', and ``go'u'' follow exactly the same rules a= s ``ri'', ``ra'', and ``ru'', except that they are pro-bridi, and therefore repeat bridi, not sumti --- specifically, main sentence bridi." If in fact {go'i} only repeats the last selbri and not the entire bridi the= n I think an errata (singular?) is needed to make this clearer. It does seem like it could be useful to have a ri/go'i like cmavo for repeating exclusively the previous selbri, but it seems like people use go'= i for that a lot of the time anyway. 2009/12/3 Jorge Llamb=EDas > On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 10:33 PM, Luke Bergen > wrote: > > really? I thought {go'i} repeated the whole bridi. I remember at one > point > > this coming up on IRC and us coming to the conclusion that: > > A: do klama lo zarci > > B: go'i fa la djeims > > essentially becomes {do jo'u la djeims klama lo zarci} where we weren't > > really sure whether {jo'u} would be that or {joi}/{je}/what > > That's: > > A: You go to the market. > B: James does. > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.or= g > with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if > you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. > > --000e0cd760548ca5570479df6c72 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable really? =A0That still doesn't sit right with me. =A0After looking aroun= d I found this in the CLL:

"The cmavo ``go'i'', ``go'a'&#= 39;, and ``go'u'' follow exactly the same rules as ``ri'', ``ra'', and ``ru'', e= xcept that they are pro-bridi, and therefore repeat bridi, not sumti --- specifically, main sentence bridi."

If in fact {= go'i} only repeats the last selbri and not the entire bridi then I thin= k an errata (singular?) is needed to make this clearer.

It does seem like it could be useful to have a ri/go'i like = cmavo for repeating exclusively the previous selbri, but it seems like peop= le use go'i for that a lot of the time anyway.

2009/12/3 Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com>
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 10:33 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
> really? =A0I thought {go'i} repeated the whole bridi. =A0I remembe= r at one point
> this coming up on IRC and us coming to the conclusion that:
> A: =A0 do klama lo zarci
> B: =A0 go'i fa la djeims
> essentially becomes {do jo'u la djeims klama lo zarci} where we we= ren't
> really sure whether {jo'u} would be that or {joi}/{je}/what

That's:

A: You go to the market.
B: James does.

mu'o mi'e xorxes


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