From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Dec 04 04:51:27 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 04 Dec 2009 04:51:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NGXd8-0002Ng-H9 for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 04:51:26 -0800 Received: from mail-pw0-f47.google.com ([209.85.160.47]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NGXcC-0001us-LX for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 04:50:35 -0800 Received: by pwi9 with SMTP id 9so2271412pwi.26 for ; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 04:50:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=xRJ44u9yV3eGvlM5BnoHlqOjKDqR8lWAfh3ajXrlrog=; b=K2QRaVSQSXVeg3JiCHRy5+NdFTFsml+ntMiMWoNue6bCkFCv0NkQOfGCAasIC9XYj+ 0K8DjvbQXtH+GCjx1BKhn5sam4ULZHqyFZhyadkhOCauDUomfM7q3FGGX9dna+e8tcZX M0yUBupYgzJee6vsO0kA03KMMDx1QaxLABvb0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=q7++Yz2NuqZzv4wC//jsRJ893MHU0BjffAI4uhjbbp06E6kZ+N+6pV8UaJE1vE4MRL OF5BBKdiIv06rHQUg8PyBETF++KZ3wePl9l2W3GjZyMWGytxYn9qsU7u2fwDt2zmZt1K m4F2M7xeJiQWemDAp/s8ousMIAzPzgxI5kB5U= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.67.32 with SMTP id p32mr353176wfa.285.1259931021898; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 04:50:21 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <925d17560912021520q72a3b6c5mba2622589e233049@mail.gmail.com> References: <348584.67527.qm@web88004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <925d17560912021520q72a3b6c5mba2622589e233049@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 07:50:21 -0500 Message-ID: <96f789a60912040450o4e9f60b9u6018a9608dc0105d@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: [jbovlaste] malranxi From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 16585 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: mturniansky@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list 2009/12/2 Jorge Llambías : > On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Daniel Brockman wrote: >> >>> ranxi: r1 is ironic(al)/contrary to expectation r2 in state/property/aspect r3. >> >> I think {ranxi} is about, e.g., a diabetic being run over by a truck >> of insulin --- not so much about saying the opposite of what you mean. > > So: > r1: a diabetic is run over by a truck of insulin > r2: insulin is beneficial to diabetics > r3: tragic > > Would that be right? Other kinds of x3 in different situations might > be "funny" or "poetic justice". > No idea what a state in x3 would mean though. That's not the way I read it, no. x3 is a state/aspect/property of x1 that contrary to expectation x2. "tragedy" would be a property of x1 yes, but it's not what's contrary about it. I'd say ranxi is more like: lo flira be do xanri lo si'o(/du'u?) ro jbopre cu melbi kei lo za'i tolmle (no offense, Xorxes. I've never seen you, actually) --gejyspa To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.