From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Dec 04 07:10:58 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 04 Dec 2009 07:10:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NGZoA-0001z5-8E for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 07:10:58 -0800 Received: from mail-yw0-f201.google.com ([209.85.211.201]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NGZnK-0001SG-BL for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 07:10:11 -0800 Received: by ywh39 with SMTP id 39so2314799ywh.25 for ; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 07:09:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=1VIhFRVZu95LLzlfV82hcZR8C6tM0/YDPnuFUXMdFow=; b=ua+JpkgY0OdOhO9MNmT8mlV23qkU54QYSyATpHlMjLzWwikdGg1/Q3dUl6TUVwiFq6 hF9N+8DcgkUvy3ymqTxnUIr6kFYPk4g0XjZZWqsuWhr5pCKcLInFJvFSF7panBPBLAAm Xsv+dE0HsKdOS93Bh1BUZXKJXZZ9GR4B+HA58= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=JLSyExQk05vBTr4oBLfciBI3pfkqxtFMIgHtPn0EOjeKmzJHA++t6GyMM8dpjY44R5 vf27uCvPFS4YS5ZiDOy0+fsvJERq7duISgIxuss6v3aI265ZidY6ehHUL09sfl/c/TS5 wascfqhJkadmYDVnIa3AA4cADO4IJrjZ95/4g= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.91.161.32 with SMTP id n32mr5104050ago.80.1259939397927; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 07:09:57 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <128928.6634.qm@web88006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <348584.67527.qm@web88004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <925d17560912021520q72a3b6c5mba2622589e233049@mail.gmail.com> <128928.6634.qm@web88006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 12:09:57 -0300 Message-ID: <925d17560912040709s28835ec9uf8817b491ce3b9c1@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: [jbovlaste] malranxi From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-archive-position: 16587 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 11:40 AM, A. PIEKARSKI wrote: > >> so I suggest "raxsku" >> "x1 says x2 to x3 via medium x4, which is ironic/contrary to >> expectation (that x1 would say what they really mean, the usual >> expectation when someone says something) >> >> I'm not sure what the x3 aspect of ranxi would be in this case. >> > Is this how you would write it? > > {c1 cusku c2 c3 c4 .ijebo lonu go'i cu ranxi lonu so'eda tersmu le go'e} > {c1 raxsku c2 c3 c4} What's "le go'e"? I would say: ko'a cusku ko'e ko'i ko'o .ije la'e di'u ranxi lo nu na cusku lo to'e se smuni be lo se jinvi As for the x3 of "ranxi", I now think that what characterizes this type of irony has to be something like "intentional", or "intentional for effect", as opposed to ironic situations that just happen to be ironic unintentionally. mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.