From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Dec 04 10:42:54 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 04 Dec 2009 10:42:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NGd7F-0005iM-Az for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 10:42:54 -0800 Received: from mail-px0-f201.google.com ([209.85.216.201]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NGd6w-0005H0-Ce for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 10:42:37 -0800 Received: by pxi39 with SMTP id 39so605730pxi.2 for ; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 10:42:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=4XuTUb4SQNqfjF8p2dIV3RD4+X0AOXmeWpBMtaPllLY=; b=b60box0ELDfoTa3+5wLjCQz+JXmPHTfCfDPi7s8L1FqKF8OvLTaQnLXAKa3R+I7rnk 6JGwEzJL8sVuMhUsFN95046xsr5yc0hlctKvujgrJPiaJUhFo+xU0AIwfccNnCFFZJWW 4tAHuEZQSxV4rvwVCCUxP/O/rBYkN6uFZZb1g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; b=d44+PnUP8DmLCw931NipwzIC3oOooPh3NufT3B+ZBEIJGCsLZLaQrcws+QcY1t+Eu4 numCF48NpmIUqcRWBz+xjn/nW4iDBofC5+lbJjiok0BfAS4Vho+1r/ujTVyNGlpuVwS5 p/AGUn32D/qmCk8c6LQYIePTZG1G94fTpjkjI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.2.14 with SMTP id 14mr416213wfb.15.1259952148382; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 10:42:28 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <8a20e9f70912040855n2423304bi434907c0b88e224a@mail.gmail.com> References: <40b71af30912040816p519f8583q1e5a62879ab08906@mail.gmail.com> <8a20e9f70912040827l709b368ch1a8927e59a277032@mail.gmail.com> <40b71af30912040842s2e30294m3183de24877f4555@mail.gmail.com> <8a20e9f70912040855n2423304bi434907c0b88e224a@mail.gmail.com> From: Frank Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 13:42:08 -0500 Message-ID: <40b71af30912041042x1f574fa2l57e406d0f6257fe@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: fi'e or fi'i or other? To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00504502b5353d04850479eb7819 X-archive-position: 16600 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: frankdmartinez@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --00504502b5353d04850479eb7819 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I do try to use IRC when I can, yes. I've just not had a chance to install the chat client on this machine yet. And, yes, the name is taken from the comic. :-) 2009/12/4 Jameson Orndorff > .i je'e .i xu do ka'e pilno la'oi IRC .i lo nu go'i ku se stidi mi > .i ta'o lo cmene be do cu simsa la .fanki,uinkrbin. xu > > > On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Frank wrote: > >> doi .kribacr. .i ki'e >> >> I suppose this is what I get for not finishing the reading of LFB. ;-) >> >> mi'e xuinkrbin. >> >> 2009/12/4 Jameson Orndorff >> >> coi .xuinkrbin. >>> >>> {rafsi} and modals are -entirely- different things. Modals (and in fact >>> any cmavo) loosely based on the structure of a word are just that - loosely >>> based on the structure of a word. The rafsi listed in the gismu list are >>> intended to be used as the building blocks for lujvo. If they mirror a modal >>> of the same word, it's a happy coincidence. >>> >>> {fi'e} is definitely the modal for {finti}, and {fi'i} is definitely the >>> vocative for hospitality. The rafsi {fi'i} of {finti} is just that - a rafsi >>> of {finti}. You could maybe make a lujvo with something like {sutra} - >>> {sutfi'i} is in jbovlaste I think and it means "to make something up on the >>> spot". Likewise you might make a lujvo with {fi'e}, the rafsi for {finpe} - brafi'e >>> - barda finpe, large fish. >>> >>> In short: >>> >>> {fi'i do} - welcome to you! >>> {.i ti zdani fi'e do} - this is a house created by you >>> {.i mi sutfi'i} - i make things up on the spot >>> {.i ta brafi'e} - that is a large-fish >>> >>> Rafsi and modals are separate things. >>> >>> mi'e .kribacr. mu'o >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 11:16 AM, Frank wrote: >>> >>>> coi rodo >>>> I noticed the xml from jbovlaste states fi'e is "finti modal, 1st >>>> place (creator) created by ...". However, fi'e is also a rafsi for finpe. >>>> Should the "finti modal ..." actually refer to fi'i, the rafsi of finti? >>>> If so, what of the fact the file states fi'i is a vocative indicative of >>>> hospitality/inhospitality? >>>> >>>> mi'e xuinkrbin. >>>> >>> >>> >> > --00504502b5353d04850479eb7819 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I do try to use IRC when I can, yes. =A0I've just not had a chance to i= nstall the chat client on this machine yet.

And, yes, th= e name is taken from the comic. =A0:-)

20= 09/12/4 Jameson Orndorff <jtorndorff@gmail.com>
.i je'e .i xu do ka'e pilno la'= oi IRC .i lo nu go'i ku se stidi mi
.i ta'o lo cmene be do cu s= imsa la .fanki,uinkrbin. xu


On Fri, Dec= 4, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Frank <frankdmartinez@gmail.com> wrote:
doi .kribacr. =A0.i ki&= #39;e

I suppose this is what I get for not finishing the= reading of LFB. =A0;-)

mi'e xuinkrbin.

2= 009/12/4 Jameson Orndorff <jtorndorff@gmail.com>

coi .xuinkrbin.

= {rafsi} and modals are -entirely- different things. Modals (and in fact any= cmavo) loosely based on the structure of a word are just that - loosely ba= sed on the structure of a word. The rafsi listed in the gismu list are inte= nded to be used as the building blocks for lujvo. If they mirror a modal of= the same word, it's a happy coincidence.

{fi'e} is definitely the modal for {finti}, and {fi'i} is defin= itely the vocative for hospitality. The rafsi {fi'i} of {finti} is just= that - a rafsi of {finti}. You could maybe make a lujvo with something lik= e {sutra} - {sutfi'i} is in jbovlaste I think and it means "to mak= e something up on the spot". Likewise you might make a lujvo with {fi&= #39;e}, the rafsi for {finpe} - brafi'e - barda finpe, large fish= .

In short:

{fi'i do} - welcome to you!
{.i ti zdani fi'= ;e do} - this is a house created by you
{.i mi sutfi'i} - i make thi= ngs up on the spot
{.i ta brafi'e} - that is a large-fish
=
Rafsi and modals are separate things.

mi'e .kribacr. mu'o


On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at= 11:16 AM, Frank <frankdmartinez@gmail.com> wrote:
coi rodo
=A0=A0 =A0= I noticed the xml from jbovlaste states fi'e is "finti modal, 1st = place (creator) created by ...". =A0However, fi'e is also a rafsi = for finpe. =A0Should the "finti modal ..." actually refer to fi&#= 39;i, the rafsi of finti? =A0If so, what of the fact the file states fi'= ;i is a vocative indicative of hospitality/inhospitality?

mi'e xuinkrbin.




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