From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Dec 15 08:58:44 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 15 Dec 2009 08:58:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NKajS-0000jY-Ur for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 08:58:43 -0800 Received: from mail-pz0-f193.google.com ([209.85.222.193]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NKaiN-00009h-8B for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 08:57:40 -0800 Received: by pzk31 with SMTP id 31so35638pzk.28 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 08:57:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=/+ZJqvqX2lLlYy0cRqgZnzgNz0GxwbYZXsloWCxJED4=; b=vB82zIKl32PWHpq9a90+X4sal0XFhcTrsSlDhjYrBwdphdX2aBS6P4OxS0ZoAVEJnO ShwtcLd4xQErvErlcyadk4jXofNnsCDmh4n+kpjPfbwh+m8RQPewJvvJANOBX/bOLCId kaVkQp8m4JyMiI2jLFAhL7NS6Fk+PCrVKlTBI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; b=vqziz9qQAzrgd7726LIybbZq3xzLXQlNW/x0rnWYq4fTWqFKoqWspQemNzDUe/0CFL m4plZaeJ34pmCnSXiYvFz0uBzlC8+YyFiIMEXUfEiuwvNjtjzxUEvge8ugkvSXTxOoeN 8WrAIGPsc4/ugO3tYuuztxLOpFLj2q8qAlGSo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.119.3 with SMTP id r3mr46359wfc.293.1260896248163; Tue, 15 Dec 2009 08:57:28 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <702226df0912031545r6cd4c3b3q49f773eb306ad17d@mail.gmail.com> <27513e550912140544j55b2b418qdfaa9c631eedda9b@mail.gmail.com> <702226df0912141557j3a04ea2uc62d87e69ba690d0@mail.gmail.com> <27513e550912141655p700da01bncb01ab1b160e0b3c@mail.gmail.com> <27513e550912141706w7e6e19e4j4ff36ed7187afe59@mail.gmail.com> <702226df0912150030n7e6806c1veadbcb4040b373c6@mail.gmail.com> <702226df0912150036q6d3e9d5drc78405b30ca99331@mail.gmail.com> <27513e550912150359j1185af0h364296083319dbed@mail.gmail.com> <27513e550912150705s602086cnbbf40ec3b03bb7aa@mail.gmail.com> From: Oren Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 00:57:08 +0800 Message-ID: <27513e550912150857w3e784e07w677ae0ce3142e19e@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Smart.fm and Lojban To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636e0b6b9f86f05047ac7480b X-archive-position: 16659 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: get.oren@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --001636e0b6b9f86f05047ac7480b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Yea, sorry, I can use English poorly sometimes... *Background:* A single smart.fm gismu card requires three pieces of information: 1. the term (either a gismu like {klava} or a gismu inversion like {lo se klava} 2. the definition (plain gismu have them already, inversions need them extracted from the gismu definition) 3. an MP3 I set up the spreadsheet here[1], which takes care of step (1). All the gismu and all the inversions are listed there. *How to help, the easy way (no need to register at smart.fm):* Unless I'm unaware of some resource, step (2) requires that English glosses/definitions be fleshed out for all the sumti (taken from the gismu definitions, see the example in my previous email). So one easy way you can help out without even needing to register at smart.fm is to go to the spreadsheet hereand fill in blank definitions for entries that have not been uploaded yet. *How to help, the longer way (still no need to register at smart.fm):* Go to the same spreadsheet, and claim a swath of terms to record mp3s for. Be bold. In the end, mp3 files can be uploaded from your computer or via URL, so feel free to record even if you don't want to upload the files yourself as long as you can send the files or upload them somewhere. *How to help, the awesome way:* Once a term has a definition and an mp3, it can be uploaded. Here's how to do it: 1) First register at smart.fm then add the deck[2] as a favorite and await for approval to become a deck contributor (you can also 'follow' and/or message .aionys. which might speed this part up). 2) Once you can edit the deck (you'll know when a little green (edit) appears under the title), click on "Content" then "+ Add item," fill in the term, definition and mp3 file, hit save and... success. 3) When you've finished uploading, update the spreadsheet. [1] the complete spreadsheet [ https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AoZKIeNnTBe2dFJOSmtSanNKQWgwNmRXOEVHNmlBZmc ] [2] the deck [http://smart.fm/goals/179543] Good luck, and good night! fe'o mi'e .ku'us. On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 00:16, james riley wrote: > I didn't get the instructions. Sorry, but my concentration is shot at the > moment. Could you just write in bullets what I need to do? > > James/cmacis > > 2009/12/15 Oren > > ...Well, I didn't get far. So far I just fixed a few of the schwa-a files >> (badna et al, sakta et al, bajra et al) >> >> But I'm trying to be helpful in another way... I believe in modular >> workflows and want to help other people get started, so I printed out all >> the sumti inversions and gismu (that is, the eventual entire list), and put >> them in this publicly-editable spreadsheet: >> >> https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AoZKIeNnTBe2dFJOSmtSanNKQWgwNmRXOEVHNmlBZmc >> >> Stats: >> unique gismu: 1342 >> gismu with 1 sumti:71 >> gismu with 2 sumti:550 >> gismu with 3 sumti:530 >> gismu with 4 sumti:167 >> gismu with 5 sumti:24 >> entries total:4891 >> >> My idea is this lets people do two things: >> >> 1) Anyone can help fill out the 3549 English translations of the inverted >> sumti forms. For example, fill in the ??? below: >> klama = x1 travels to x2 from x3 via route x4 by means of x5 >> lo klama = ??? >> (potential flashcard translation: A traveller) >> lo se klama = ??? >> (potential flashcard translation: A travel destination) >> etc. >> . >> . >> . >> >> ...unless I'm missing something and there's actually already LLG-approved >> english glosses for each gismu's sumti. >> >> 2) If anyone wants to take on a section of terms to upload and/or attach >> audio to, you can put your name in the 'editing' column and update the chart >> when you're done. I've found that smart.fm's content listing view doesn't >> display whether or not a custom mp3 has been attached to a card. >> >> This is a really useful free resource. We currently have about 150 cards >> completed... if we keep this average and add a few more contributers, it >> could be done in a few months. >> >> .ui ki'e co'o >> >> p.s. I think it duplicates items when you update the mp3? I don't think I >> have the right privileges to delete the duplicate copies I inadvertantly >> made... =/ >> > > --001636e0b6b9f86f05047ac7480b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yea, sorry, I can use English poorly sometimes...

<= b>Background:

A single smart.fm = gismu card requires three pieces of information:
  1. the term (eithe= r a gismu like {klava} or a gismu inversion like {lo se klava}
  2. the definition (plain gismu have them already, inversions need them ext= racted from the gismu definition)
  3. an MP3
I set up the spre= adsheet here[1], which takes care of step (1). = All the gismu and all the inversions are listed there.

How to help, the easy way (no need to register at smart.fm):

Unless I'm unaware of some resource= , step (2) requires that English glosses/definitions be fleshed out for all= the sumti (taken from the gismu definitions, see the example in my previou= s email). So one easy way you can help out without even needing to register= at smart.fm is to = go to the spreadsheet here and fill in blank definitions for entries th= at have not been uploaded yet.

How to help, the longer way (still no need to register at smart.fm):

Go to the same spreadsheet, and= claim a swath of terms to record mp3s for. Be bold. In the end, mp3 files = can be uploaded from your computer or via URL, so feel free to record even = if you don't want to upload the files yourself as long as you can send = the files or upload them somewhere.

How to help, the awesome way:

Once a term has a definitio= n and an mp3, it can be uploaded. Here's how to do it:
1) First regi= ster at smart.fm then add the deck[2] as a favorite and await for approv= al to become a deck contributor (you can also 'follow' and/or messa= ge .aionys. which might speed = this part up).
2) Once you can edit the deck (you'll know when a little green (edit) a= ppears under the title), click on "Content" then "+ Add item= ," fill in the term, definition and mp3 file, hit save and... success.=
3) When you've finished uploading, update the spreadsheet.

[1] t= he complete spreadsheet [https://spreadsheets.googl= e.com/ccc?key=3D0AoZKIeNnTBe2dFJOSmtSanNKQWgwNmRXOEVHNmlBZmc]
[2] the deck [http://smart.fm/goal= s/179543]

Good luck, and good night!
fe'o mi'e .ku= 9;us.

On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 00:16, jame= s riley <jimr160= 3@gmail.com> wrote:
I didn't get = the instructions. Sorry, but my concentration is shot at the moment. Could = you just write in bullets what I need to do?

James/cmacis

2009/12/15 Oren <get.o= ren@gmail.com>

= ...Well, I didn't get far. So far I just fixed a few of the schwa-a fil= es (badna et al, sakta et al, bajra et al)

But I'm trying to be helpful in another way... I believe in modular= workflows and want to help other people get started, so I printed out all = the sumti inversions and gismu (that is, the eventual entire list), and put= them in this publicly-editable spreadsheet:
https://spreadsheets.google.com/c= cc?key=3D0AoZKIeNnTBe2dFJOSmtSanNKQWgwNmRXOEVHNmlBZmc

Stats:
= unique gismu: 1342
gismu with 1 sumti:71
gismu with 2 sumti:550
gismu with 3 sumti:530gismu with 4 sumti:167
gismu with 5 sumti:24
entries total:4891
=
My idea is this lets people do two things:

1) Anyone can help fi= ll out the 3549 English translations of the inverted sumti forms. For examp= le, fill in the ??? below:
klama =3D=A0 x1 travels to x2 from x3 via route x4 by means of x5
lo klama =3D ???
(potential flashcard translation: A traveller)
lo se= klama =3D ???
(potential flashcard translation: A travel destination)etc.
.
.
.

...unless I'm missing something and there&= #39;s actually already LLG-approved english glosses for each gismu's su= mti.

2) If anyone wants to take on a section of terms to upload and/or attac= h audio to, you can put your name in the 'editing' column and updat= e the chart when you're done. I've found that smart.fm's content listing view doesn'= t display whether or not a custom mp3 has been attached to a card.

This is a really useful free resource. We currently have about 150 card= s completed... if we keep this average and add a few more contributers, it = could be done in a few months.

.ui ki'e co'o

p.s. I t= hink it duplicates items when you update the mp3? I don't think I have = the right privileges to delete the duplicate copies I inadvertantly made...= =3D/


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