From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Dec 18 13:57:50 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 18 Dec 2009 13:57:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NLkpZ-0004Gv-GC for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 13:57:50 -0800 Received: from mail-yw0-f187.google.com ([209.85.211.187]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NLkp2-0003is-Lm for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 13:57:20 -0800 Received: by ywh17 with SMTP id 17so4296429ywh.2 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 13:57:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=sjT6Bk0dAj0oIoeoxsf0WVLacEXLpAZNjb8HK19fgpI=; b=rS46xDMhwm1m2ZSB28XxgoG5bH1yiuGWV276quTjQHGx0+uFXIhmZVsqfm/iRaLnug s5Vu5q3H3BftvdolsY/3GvlPYf3YV6kiZ6RWIRvhBI5BYjJK1sBCe0XijPIKwKlshL1I AvPbphXTrqAG4QnIYCfFFuCaVtJuKNfp88ji4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=RKoYJEoRi/PQ8eBz6a9z+b2xgBaMMmI4wc7NjNL9v6NKegNGGWZ2W6fCZehJ1E9sPI tn4DrVQYeZJbYmZjdh5lDFqKqzjtlRejN1BB+vhgOvqQA+cV5H5JSdlQNuwMJqu0xp4i NERkOni3qgRCItvoqpo27/3iLkWqFS+nZtzBE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.18.36 with SMTP id 36mr4566348agr.117.1261173430430; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 13:57:10 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <8a20e9f70912181227j40b5b65didcef9b757ce87df0@mail.gmail.com> References: <8a20e9f70912181024t29e56190u762c85c8373e0c6a@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560912181211o485199adj246be26f7ce5e368@mail.gmail.com> <8a20e9f70912181227j40b5b65didcef9b757ce87df0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 18:57:10 -0300 Message-ID: <925d17560912181357y2ba48da3rf9190d51c3ed9690@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: The New Method From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 16702 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 5:27 PM, Jameson Orndorff wrote: > Also a side note - I've heard that Wave works better in > (surprise surprise) Google Chrome, if you can try that. I am using Chrome actually, and I didn't notice any problems with response times that others talk about for other browsers, but the way the arrows work is the same ugly in Chrome. > In > practice, this has pretty much been a non issue - negation and tags > are taught later, and they are described as being on the outside of > the "whole selbri" if you can kinda catch my drift. I wasn't able to > completely describe my style in the original post. I assure you I'm > doing the best to address the issue. OK. Arguments can be made both ways as to what is better. Since you can say things like "lo ca klama", if "ca" is not part of the selbri you have to specify that it's not just a selbri that can be converted into a sumti with "lo", but a selbri plus its tag. I don't expect this to be much of a problem in informal teaching, but when you write it down more formally you have to consider that it may end up being used as a reference work in the future, so it's better to keep things as consistent as possible. > I really haven't had a problem justifying its existence - though I do > admit I have to rely on the tried and true "Just accept that it's > there" argument to get it into people's heads. In the wave there is a comment: I don’t see why we need the {be} yet which is unanswered. When I tried to think of an answer, I realized that in fact we *don't* need it, except to make "ku" more elidable. mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.