From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Dec 18 17:26:10 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 18 Dec 2009 17:26:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NLo5B-0004Py-Hy for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 17:26:10 -0800 Received: from mail-pw0-f47.google.com ([209.85.160.47]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NLo4m-0003sH-Ce for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 17:25:53 -0800 Received: by pwi1 with SMTP id 1so2525499pwi.26 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 17:25:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=Fxn5MdfHpP29FL1I86mmwduyzk9F4GgGmw7ZlRXFLGM=; b=dsRJOGIx+uyshiRqprcmLguTVbBY3agSELZO6tHth8QbmSRmFLkvAy0rf4kQxYsZXM YcXGxCtMsbXddQOsFqOrgDaByV64RmI9nRn0kB1MRSwzcm4hYLtsWT6XYvBCrdQIE5rA 7FROMa8eqJVAhFpWNcRxQb3kvMJ5B3pupKA78= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; b=mLYvwzBXiLZVxe71dIEupjYiviqIVfSuIVBH2TynVuxx9npxDghYmBvYoZfOnJdU1R wPkb2N+XNvSUaqMjl2u6NvRiF+2j9nnuf6ka63ZgOn4ijrGD/cARaTbsMnC4lwZYfLFE ICCe2HwtGgPMZTRGmXmW0jOpOowO1gaTYSB+0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.74.16 with SMTP id w16mr3029562wfa.200.1261185938160; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 17:25:38 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <925d17560912181018m278687bdqc5242f7aa1734944@mail.gmail.com> References: <5715b9300912171323y6c5a659dy22db9f86144402be@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9300912180600h37d7d855v60f915f1cd2dae2c@mail.gmail.com> <27513e550912180636i2a4e0002jbbd587bfd0e628e0@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560912181018m278687bdqc5242f7aa1734944@mail.gmail.com> From: Oren Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 09:25:18 +0800 Message-ID: <27513e550912181725q161ea677k458aa23b983c2932@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: tense question To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636e90b7ad6fcbd047b0abb52 X-archive-position: 16711 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: get.oren@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --001636e90b7ad6fcbd047b0abb52 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=GB2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable .ua ki'e 2009/12/19 Jorge Llamb=A8=AAas > 2009/12/18 Oren : > > {mi nelci do ca lo nu do nelci mi}. > > > > How can we reverse the parts before and after {ca} here? > > Then it could align with the Chinese structure: > > > > =C4=E3=CF=B2=BB=B6=CE=D2=CA=B1=A3=AC=CE=D2=CF=B2=BB=B6=C4=E3 > > n=A8=AA x=A8=ABhu=A8=A1n w=A8=AF sh=A8=AA, w=A8=AE x=A8=ABhu=A8=A1n n= =A8=AB > > {do nelci mi mi nelci do } > > Some possibilities: > > (1) ca lo nu do nelci mi kei mi nelci do > > (2) lo nu do nelci mi zo'u ca ku mi nelci do > > (3) do nelci mi .i ca bo mi nelci do > > (1) is the closest in meaning, but you need to put "ca" in front of > the subordinate clause. (2) has a slightly different structure, with > the subordinate clause as a topic. (3) is the least wordy and > superficially the most similar, but there is no longer a subordinate > clause, the reference clause is now at the same level as the other > clause. > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.or= g > with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if > you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. > > --001636e90b7ad6fcbd047b0abb52 Content-Type: text/html; charset=GB2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
.ua ki'e

2009/12/19 = Jorge Llamb=A8=AAas <jjllambias@gmail.com>
2009/12/18 Oren <get.oren@gmail.co= m>:
> {mi nelci do ca lo nu do nelci mi}.
>
> How can we reverse the parts before and after {ca} here?
> Then it could align with the Chinese structure:
>
> =C4=E3=CF=B2=BB=B6=CE=D2=CA=B1=A3=AC=CE=D2=CF=B2=BB=B6=C4=E3
> n=A8=AA x=A8=ABhu=A8=A1n w=A8=AF sh=A8=AA, w=A8=AE x=A8=ABhu=A8=A1n n= =A8=AB
> {do nelci mi <when-that-occurs,>  mi nelci do }

Some possibilities:

(1) ca lo nu do nelci mi kei mi nelci do

(2) lo nu do nelci mi zo'u ca ku mi nelci do

(3) do nelci mi .i ca bo mi nelci do

(1) is the closest in meaning, but you need to put "ca" in front = of
the subordinate clause. (2) has a slightly different structure, with
the subordinate clause as a topic. (3) is the least wordy and
superficially the most similar, but there is no longer a subordinate
clause, the reference clause is now at the same level as the other
clause.

mu'o mi'e xorxes


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