From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Dec 24 22:59:53 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 24 Dec 2009 22:59:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NO49Q-0001fK-GG for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 22:59:52 -0800 Received: from ey-out-1920.google.com ([74.125.78.149]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NO48u-00014b-Te for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 22:59:25 -0800 Received: by ey-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 3so2018940eyh.36 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 22:59:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=h05XykKF27fVm2hmx7VRir6PkTN/WpgoG6uz18AJ7u8=; b=s0AoUdAludhFeLoD+MOkB6IPh+2eRmviiETyuknOTTJCWpDYbKYwx8Pj70viZdfS+E 6tC4Wq1tCQbeuqJtkdoXm82FBIJLFdBBn8yi9/arJfND140mChIyfhq675UQpABLU/D5 pmT/ZwxI0kojx5WB5Tq6pd0lObcvr8CxPSbPU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=e5uPueGSsX1S8HC6jgfc4Q3ZO9iusrPZko1oTpkABHBxxTBCAOFRUK7LMUx2zPhunt 81ylfb469pdEO7nfPhp1WXKH6EM93QMrsfRdifeA4otzQsPWNDz18R4JDeq8CarEerzO xxMyvdxc4jcYatbOpqAOw6HN6srbpC36vIVcE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.91.12 with SMTP id g12mr2538446wef.33.1261724359251; Thu, 24 Dec 2009 22:59:19 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <27513e550912241946o5b7fbb74x828d18f90ec2648b@mail.gmail.com> References: <702226df0912031545r6cd4c3b3q49f773eb306ad17d@mail.gmail.com> <702226df0912151247t18e20092m970c8d2ad94f432c@mail.gmail.com> <702226df0912151319p3f3b8a80m99739f4dd7d3b8c@mail.gmail.com> <27513e550912151712k705b63b7mff8686e08ff776d5@mail.gmail.com> <702226df0912161222i4caac5b0y96e2602a837de702@mail.gmail.com> <702226df0912241659k43eeb48am63f78bec141a9792@mail.gmail.com> <702226df0912241711x6173e6f9uf8957c104823007d@mail.gmail.com> <249d5b950912241917q55f18a2ft2ea9eae6a42aeaa9@mail.gmail.com> <702226df0912241931r25fb98bbq527b30322dc3ebe6@mail.gmail.com> <27513e550912241946o5b7fbb74x828d18f90ec2648b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 00:59:19 +1800 Message-ID: <702226df0912242259l1d2b21c3safe6b3b906f0dc2c@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Smart.fm and Lojban From: "Jon \"Top Hat\" Jones" To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d7e32a3cd720047b8818ae X-archive-position: 16747 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: eyeonus@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --0016e6d7e32a3cd720047b8818ae Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 That's how the SE cmavo work, yes. That's why {lo xe benji} is "a means of transmission". But I don't see the point of bringing that up. The 5 brodV are bridi variables, like the ko'V pro-sumti variables. They don't have a set structure. Depending on the context in which they are used, the brodV gismu can have anywhere between 0(?) and infinity places. On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 9:46 PM, Oren wrote: > I think you just swap the first and xth place > > { x1 [gismu] x2 x3 x4 x5 } > { x2 se [gismu] x1 x3 x4 x5 } > { x3 te [gismu] x2 x1 x4 x5 } > { x4 ve [gismu] x2 x3 x1 x5 } > { x5 xe [gismu] x2 x3 x4 x1 } > > ::looks for reference:: > > On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 11:31, Jon "Top Hat" Jones > wrote: > > Well, here's the definition of broda as taken from the gismu list: > > > > broda predicate var 1 1st assignable > > variable predicate (context determines place structure) > > > > On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 9:17 PM, Steven Lytle wrote: > >> > >> What do you mean by "the place structures of these gismu are variable"? > >> Gismu place structures are as fixed as the gismu themselves. > >> > >> stevo > >> > >> On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 8:11 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones > > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> I'm getting to the point of adding the brodV gismu, and I have some > >>> questions about them. > >>> > >>> Should I make sumti entries for them? i.e. lo broda, lo se broda.... > >>> > >>> If so, should I make all five sumti places, just the first, or > somewhere > >>> in between? > >>> > >>> Should I make a seperate entry for each one, or a single entry for all > >>> five? > >>> > >>> My inclination is to ONLY make the gismu entries, one for each, and to > >>> not make any sumti entries at all, mainly due to the fact that the > place > >>> structures of these gismu are variable. > >>> > >>> On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 6:59 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones < > eyeonus@gmail.com> > >>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> So whta's everyone's status on this project? I haven't heard from > anyone > >>>> about this in quite a while now. Is anyone besides myself still > working on > >>>> this? > >>>> > >>>> On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones < > eyeonus@gmail.com> > >>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Delete is in the "My Items" area, although it doesn't always show up. > >>>>> > >>>>> On 12/16/09, Oren wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 05:19, Jon "Top Hat" Jones < > eyeonus@gmail.com> > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> You'll need to delete the duplicate entries you made, as you're the > >>>>>>> only person that can. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I guess then what happens is when you click 'edit' on a card you > >>>>>> didn't create, it copies that card and gives you ownership of the > new one-- > >>>>>> so I can only delete my own recordings' items, not alter the ones > I'm trying > >>>>>> to fix? Either way, I'm really drawing a blank-- I can't find > 'delete' > >>>>>> anywhere... It may be that my chinese internet is too slow? It takes > about a > >>>>>> minute to load the list for me and often the 'order by' and 'show' > options > >>>>>> don't load whatsoever. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> fe'o > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. > >>>>> > >>>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. > >>>> > >>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. > >>> > >>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu > >>> > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > > > .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org > with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if > you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. > > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu --0016e6d7e32a3cd720047b8818ae Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That's how the SE cmavo work, yes. That's why {lo xe benji} is &quo= t;a means of transmission".

But I don't see the point of br= inging that up. The 5 brodV are bridi variables, like the ko'V pro-sumt= i variables. They don't have a set structure. Depending on the context = in which they are used, the brodV gismu can have anywhere between 0(?) and = infinity places.

On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 9:46 PM, Oren <get.oren@gmail.com> wrote:
I think you just swap the first and xth place

{ x1 [gismu] x2 x3 x4 x5 }
{ x2 se [gismu] x1 x3 x4 x5 }
{ x3 te [gismu] x2 x1 x4 x5 }
{ x4 ve [gismu] x2 x3 x1 x5 }
{ x5 xe [gismu] x2 x3 x4 x1 }

::looks for reference::

On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 11:31, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, here's the definition of broda as taken from the gismu list:=
>
> broda=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 predicate var 1=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 1st assignable > variable predicate (context determines place structure)
>
> On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 9:17 PM, Steven Lytle <lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> What do you mean by "the place structures of these gismu are = variable"?
>> Gismu place structures are as fixed as the gismu themselves.
>>
>> stevo
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 8:11 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <= ;eyeonus@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm getting to the point of adding the brodV gismu, and I = have some
>>> questions about them.
>>>
>>> Should I make sumti entries for them? i.e. lo broda, lo se bro= da....
>>>
>>> If so, should I make all five sumti places, just the first, or= somewhere
>>> in between?
>>>
>>> Should I make a seperate entry for each one, or a single entry= for all
>>> five?
>>>
>>> My inclination is to ONLY make the gismu entries, one for each= , and to
>>> not make any sumti entries at all, mainly due to the fact that= the place
>>> structures of these gismu are variable.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 6:59 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones= <eyeonus@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> So whta's everyone's status on this project? I hav= en't heard from anyone
>>>> about this in quite a while now. Is anyone besides myself = still working on
>>>> this?
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Jon "Top Hat" J= ones <eyeonus@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Delete is in the "My Items" area, although i= t doesn't always show up.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/16/09, Oren <get.oren@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 05:19, Jon "Top Hat&q= uot; Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com&g= t;
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You'll need to delete the duplicate entrie= s you made, as you're the
>>>>>>> only person that can.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I guess then what happens is when you click 'e= dit' on a card you
>>>>>> didn't create, it copies that card and gives y= ou ownership of the new one--
>>>>>> so I can only delete my own recordings' items,= not alter the ones I'm trying
>>>>>> to fix? Either way, I'm really drawing a blank= -- I can't find 'delete'
>>>>>> anywhere... It may be that my chinese internet is = too slow? It takes about a
>>>>>> minute to load the list for me and often the '= order by' and 'show' options
>>>>>> don't load whatsoever.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> fe'o
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>>>
>>>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>>
>>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>
>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>
> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>
>


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