From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Jan 01 06:39:16 2010 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 01 Jan 2010 06:39:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NQiep-00032r-7K for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 06:39:15 -0800 Received: from mail-px0-f200.google.com ([209.85.216.200]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NQiej-00031i-Dg for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 06:39:14 -0800 Received: by pxi38 with SMTP id 38so3504108pxi.28 for ; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 06:39:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=ij/GJOUV4yBYew8EMj5/sI38hRL1vFIfIJzVkIgVPJ8=; b=qf5zIY3+9M+AxTOnztvKCpNpyxun8H02xh8xmHuTGwquPc8SlBOj7OYfyu6Ill2t8n T8s7zKwJAf/NiR0b8yiqv6JG1vknE88SfqOgCAYE8b/qfRAbg6MeJQkwW7TWQWxq6K+J lf05EFRxUcH4EATvkD2fKV92jJvayIqtXZcCA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=qfRJp/Sz6x8VDb7Lmj96jiIpw7oK3VDFdga4WWdeWL3ObBvJw/nl+7emm6S0pvscYb LJsfRTIZnQR5iW872Y4LFd6w2HwIwOMXjlMQFLLoGld/93oCF1YJyIsFMtAy7seclTYX PXNaLDiBJlCU6c1/ziIvmFziXV14tviKttwtU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.143.129.7 with SMTP id g7mr6677319wfn.336.1262356742665; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 06:39:02 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20091228232429.GA11894@sdf.lonestar.org> References: <702226df0912281343u74ba2a7dl73daef95d368cf0e@mail.gmail.com> <20091228232429.GA11894@sdf.lonestar.org> Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 09:39:02 -0500 Message-ID: <96f789a61001010639s3bb87d33p4d8f559fe464bd60@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: lo te cacra From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-Spam_score: 0.6 X-Spam_score_int: 6 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: Spam detection software, running on the system "chain.digitalkingdom.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 6:24 PM, Minimiscience wrote: > de'i li 29 pi'e 12 pi'e 2009 la'o fy. Jon Top Hat Jones .fy. cusku zoi > skamyxatra. >> cacra is defined in the gismu list as "x1 is x2 hours in duration (default >> is 1 hour) by standard x3" >> >> jboski translates lo te cacra as "standard for hour". >> >> This is confusing to me. What standard is being referred to, exactly? > .skamyxatra > > {lo te cacra} is the definition of "hour" that the speaker is using.  See > for the various ways that it has been > defined throughout history.  Theoretically, {lo te cacra} could possibly also > include information related to relativity & time dilation, but that would > probably be better expressed with "{ma'i}." > > mu'omi'e .kamymecraijun. > > -- [...] Content analysis details: (0.6 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 3.2 FH_DATE_PAST_20XX The date is grossly in the future. -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -2.6 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-archive-position: 16753 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: mturniansky@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 6:24 PM, Minimiscience wrote: > de'i li 29 pi'e 12 pi'e 2009 la'o fy. Jon Top Hat Jones .fy. cusku zoi > skamyxatra. >> cacra is defined in the gismu list as "x1 is x2 hours in duration (default >> is 1 hour) by standard x3" >> >> jboski translates lo te cacra as "standard for hour". >> >> This is confusing to me. What standard is being referred to, exactly? > .skamyxatra > > {lo te cacra} is the definition of "hour" that the speaker is using.  See > for the various ways that it has been > defined throughout history.  Theoretically, {lo te cacra} could possibly also > include information related to relativity & time dilation, but that would > probably be better expressed with "{ma'i}." > > mu'omi'e .kamymecraijun. > > -- te cacra can also be simply something like "mi", meaning "by my estimation/watch/feelings/standard/system of meausurement it's been X2 hours...." such as "lo nu mi'o denpa fo le nu ve skina cu cacra li mu mi" -- we've been waiting to see this movie for what feels like 5 hours --gejyspa To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.