From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Jan 01 16:25:59 2010 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 01 Jan 2010 16:26:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NQrod-0006SP-5z for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 16:25:59 -0800 Received: from mail-ew0-f224.google.com ([209.85.219.224]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NQroX-0006RZ-FU for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 16:25:58 -0800 Received: by ewy24 with SMTP id 24so16162513ewy.26 for ; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 16:25:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=ov2IFzCtNj+ce+PPYtZHsc/aTMbnqvSZFLg+soCwKjY=; b=Oj4Y/6FFZTiQPIaLDIwv1p2rgWSmCv2WVlrvfX+dDnbKH2u8P6uUWHHBTA/P9BKj8/ dIbXjA3C4A+/gmesuXxYuAs25bMvq/LI7El5h1vkMId3+KN5n/GOogC8SAc9ZsNV4yJO 8il9QNpkwLFwRLAZSL5nOHpYTgKxKxR4hfgjs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=GawPuElsnS4tuSRqL4JT9e2miFRp8w5TNpH2GoVF3vO2/ZEIVL8jwb/EriPrqnVTvh fNo1+IwQB3W1Jvpnv0eG5VWBHfbxkTuh27mGLs1dh6PklEKUVO54/QI7agvG1yFuzSJY 6tSKRrRclrPduyMkHVypIU2RC/x5RHd6oz+Gk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.1.205 with SMTP id 13mr6106455ebg.50.1262391946537; Fri, 01 Jan 2010 16:25:46 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <96f789a61001010639s3bb87d33p4d8f559fe464bd60@mail.gmail.com> References: <702226df0912281343u74ba2a7dl73daef95d368cf0e@mail.gmail.com> <20091228232429.GA11894@sdf.lonestar.org> <96f789a61001010639s3bb87d33p4d8f559fe464bd60@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 11:25:46 +1100 Message-ID: <12ee707c1001011625l5441c6cdv584735467cfe5d55@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: lo te cacra From: Geoff Hacker To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0ce03f2c8a6ab4047c238717 X-Spam_score: 0.6 X-Spam_score_int: 6 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: Spam detection software, running on the system "chain.digitalkingdom.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: >lo nu mi'o denpa fo le nu ve skina cu cacra li mu mi Can you explain to me why you used "lo" to describe "nu mi'o denpa"? I am thinking here of the fact that "lo" is nonspecific, so this makes it sound like you do not have in mind a specific event of your waiting for the movie to start, whereas I would have thought that such an event would be specific to refer to. Geoff 2010/1/2 Michael Turniansky [...] Content analysis details: (0.6 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 3.2 FH_DATE_PAST_20XX The date is grossly in the future.X-archive-position: 16754 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: geoff.hacker@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --000e0ce03f2c8a6ab4047c238717 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >lo nu mi'o denpa fo le nu ve skina cu cacra li mu mi Can you explain to me why you used "lo" to describe "nu mi'o denpa"? I am thinking here of the fact that "lo" is nonspecific, so this makes it sound like you do not have in mind a specific event of your waiting for the movie to start, whereas I would have thought that such an event would be specific to refer to. Geoff 2010/1/2 Michael Turniansky > On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 6:24 PM, Minimiscience > wrote: > > de'i li 29 pi'e 12 pi'e 2009 la'o fy. Jon Top Hat Jones .fy. cusku zoi > > skamyxatra. > >> cacra is defined in the gismu list as "x1 is x2 hours in duration > (default > >> is 1 hour) by standard x3" > >> > >> jboski translates lo te cacra as "standard for hour". > >> > >> This is confusing to me. What standard is being referred to, exactly? > > .skamyxatra > > > > {lo te cacra} is the definition of "hour" that the speaker is using. See > > for the various ways that it has > been > > defined throughout history. Theoretically, {lo te cacra} could possibly > also > > include information related to relativity & time dilation, but that would > > probably be better expressed with "{ma'i}." > > > > mu'omi'e .kamymecraijun. > > > > -- > > te cacra can also be simply something like "mi", meaning "by my > estimation/watch/feelings/standard/system of meausurement it's been X2 > hours...." such as "lo nu mi'o denpa fo le nu ve skina cu cacra li mu > mi" -- we've been waiting to see this movie for what feels like 5 > hours > > --gejyspa > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org > with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if > you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. > > --000e0ce03f2c8a6ab4047c238717 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>lo nu mi'o denpa fo le nu ve skina cu cacra li mu mi
=A0
Can you explain to me why you used "lo" to describe "nu= mi'o denpa"? I am thinking here of the fact that "lo" i= s nonspecific, so this makes it sound like you do not have in mind a specif= ic event of your waiting for the movie to start, whereas I would have thoug= ht that such an event would be specific to refer to.
Geoff
2010/1/2 Michael Turniansky &l= t;mturniansky@gmail.com>
On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 6:24 PM,= Minimiscience <minimiscience= @gmail.com> wrote:
> de'i li 29 pi'e 12 pi'e 2009 la'o fy. Jon Top Hat Jone= s .fy. cusku zoi
> skamyxatra.
>> cacra is defined in the gi= smu list as "x1 is x2 hours in duration (default
>> is 1 hour= ) by standard x3"
>>
>> jboski translates lo te cacra as "standard for ho= ur".
>>
>> This is confusing to me. What standard is= being referred to, exactly?
> .skamyxatra
>
> {lo te cac= ra} is the definition of "hour" that the speaker is using. =A0See=
> <ht= tp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hour> for the various ways that it has be= en
> defined throughout history. =A0Theoretically, {lo te cacra} coul= d possibly also
> include information related to relativity & time dilation, but tha= t would
> probably be better expressed with "{ma'i}.">
> mu'omi'e .kamymecraijun.
>
> --

=A0te cacra can also be simply something like "mi", meaning "= ;by my
estimation/watch/feelings/standard/system of meausurement it'= s been X2
hours...." such as "lo nu mi'o denpa fo le nu ve= skina cu cacra li mu
mi" -- we've been waiting to see this movie for what feels like 5<= br>hours

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--gejyspa


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