From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sun Jan 03 18:57:28 2010 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 03 Jan 2010 18:57:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NRd8K-0000iF-4n for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 18:57:28 -0800 Received: from mail-ew0-f224.google.com ([209.85.219.224]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NRd8C-0000g1-5B for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 18:57:26 -0800 Received: by ewy24 with SMTP id 24so17550371ewy.26 for ; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 18:57:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=ZwFiirg/SYqPbPSLcHgBMG5a8S4QmB/cUtLhSuWimWo=; b=h8HY3v4m4UMd6/gMueYg2WweDcrGf2hTY3fLChMkgxTaOF2w0Far3le5KP+/fZv4o8 JW1y2IGLtTZnyiuygjhfc3KoiSvk3+ei7w/RkdHGXloBzTN0HJwwkf5omhkJiKkc1ET9 NSZ/eM0gYratmIC7+pzFf5IsuJi3smAqWoYWg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=noKJQVReTqd4ASM1QOXlcmEYuyYXHciEXtvs1tuP/mVABid+S9wOlShGvrD1Fk9ukl oRAkun2VCW3e36P8/L9oBLlcm14p81l3+CLru/yCjBNLHGZz2Ibw9j33LiT9qlKYpw7T EEXfomphtTF1BTtgL6h9YE2ENRMb5rziDypo0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.24.2 with SMTP id t2mr5750300ebb.6.1262573833756; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 18:57:13 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 13:57:13 +1100 Message-ID: <12ee707c1001031857l193fbcf7l5107a5e3dd4e88c8@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban] Place structure of bijyjbu From: Geoff Hacker To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cdf75f8dd2186047c4de0f9 X-archive-position: 16772 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: geoff.hacker@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --000e0cdf75f8dd2186047c4de0f9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi all, I just looked up "desk" in the "current" version of the jvoste (it is "bijyjbu") and do not think that its place structure is very user-friendly: x1 = jubme1 (table), x2 = jubme2 (table material), x3 = jubme3 (leg), x4 = briju2 (office worker) If I talk about a desk in an office, I am really highly unlikely to be referring to it in the context of what material or legs it has. I am far more likely to be saying that it is so-and-so's desk, and maybe after that further details about the office in which the desk appears, so I would have thought a more logical place structure was: x1 = jubme1 (table), x2 = briju2 (office worker) x3 = briju1 (office) x4 = briju3 (office location) and then *maybe* x5 = jubme2 (table material - so I could say, e.g., that it is a bijyjbu be fu lo [mahogany].) What do people think, and how would the jvoste get changed if a different consensus were reached? Geoff --000e0cdf75f8dd2186047c4de0f9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all,
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I just looked up "desk" in the "current" version o= f the jvoste=A0(it is "bijyjbu")=A0and do not think that its plac= e structure is very user-friendly:
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x1 =3D jubme1 (table), x2 =3D jubme2 (table material), x3 =3D jubme3 (= leg), x4 =3D briju2 (office worker)
If I talk about a desk in an office, I am really highly unlikely to be= referring to it in the context=A0of what material or legs it has. I am far= more likely to be saying that it is so-and-so's desk, and maybe after = that further details about the office in which the desk appears, so I would= have thought a more logical place structure was:
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x1 =3D jubme1 (table), x2 =3D briju2 (office worker) x3 =3D briju1 (of= fice) x4 =3D briju3 (office location) and then maybe x5 =3D jubme2= (table material - so I could say, e.g., that it is a bijyjbu be fu lo [mah= ogany].)
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What do people think, and how would the jvoste get changed if a differ= ent consensus were reached?
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Geoff
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