From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sun Jan 03 19:57:30 2010 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 03 Jan 2010 19:57:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NRe4Q-0004qW-KA for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 19:57:30 -0800 Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([75.180.132.120]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NRe4N-0004oF-3w for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 19:57:30 -0800 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=vyBXRlHrM44A:10 a=b3GTyP7dn9HHsmLPon8A:9 a=0g84bDE_ud6REwYwI8iXMcCiuzkA:4 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 71.71.198.100 Received: from [71.71.198.100] ([71.71.198.100:46636] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.39 r()) with ESMTP id AF/79-08392-027614B4; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 03:57:20 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C5F5CAB1 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 2010 22:58:22 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Place structure of bijyjbu Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 22:58:17 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <12ee707c1001031857l193fbcf7l5107a5e3dd4e88c8@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <12ee707c1001031857l193fbcf7l5107a5e3dd4e88c8@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <201001032258.19239.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-archive-position: 16776 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@phma.optus.nu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Sunday 03 January 2010 21:57:13 Geoff Hacker wrote: > Hi all, > > I just looked up "desk" in the "current" version of the jvoste (it is > "bijyjbu") and do not think that its place structure is very user-friendly: > > x1 = jubme1 (table), x2 = jubme2 (table material), x3 = jubme3 (leg), x4 = > briju2 (office worker) > If I talk about a desk in an office, I am really highly unlikely to be > referring to it in the context of what material or legs it has. I am far > more likely to be saying that it is so-and-so's desk, and maybe after that > further details about the office in which the desk appears, so I would have > thought a more logical place structure was: > > x1 = jubme1 (table), x2 = briju2 (office worker) x3 = briju1 (office) x4 = > briju3 (office location) and then *maybe* x5 = jubme2 (table material - so > I could say, e.g., that it is a bijyjbu be fu lo [mahogany].) > > What do people think, and how would the jvoste get changed if a different > consensus were reached? I think the place structure should be kept as it is, for jvojva reasons. An appropriate word for the place structure you're thinking of is "jbubriju". By the way, mahogany is ma'agni - easy enough? Pierre -- La sal en el mar es más que en la sangre. Le sel dans la mer est plus que dans le sang. To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.