From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sun Jan 03 20:51:30 2010 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 03 Jan 2010 20:51:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NReud-0000BD-TU for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 20:51:29 -0800 Received: from mail-ew0-f224.google.com ([209.85.219.224]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NReuY-00008g-0L for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 20:51:26 -0800 Received: by ewy24 with SMTP id 24so17597813ewy.26 for ; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 20:51:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=0P7s88dwhQEAHD5XYDZwj4xexGJPSA0ynfog5+74Dbc=; b=sMw/Cf0vd6fNQ1BKa/jVuGmxUjUZYhO5QM43P9cICPwKt6CoufoPOX9S14WvtBpF3a zOXDIi2gsqKr6n03uTfNc6B4zEBtVv/JRp4jJHo5HQ1NsJfdwYu+RsVnbxv9NAe8pwdm COMKqc5D3re5K1+8N/r4He3Quzgvc7jV/qHNQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=CMVYelq4nOwBcUqMBwal0Q5TxdODekYFy3uxQRAxRsdPeAcOh6mWTx8fjXAWHf7R0X 10K71Cu5Hj7fcywI2qlkDJ6+CgFV4lcSfE7q15fufVVqbouQ49cL0iv5emc9JN6Lw28C OyjmWVsXpcp0JRdOH5KZzddb78562mB+Gv/BU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.39.79 with SMTP id f15mr6855140ebe.13.1262580674953; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 20:51:14 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <8CC5AA7171DCAE9-8FA8-1F578@webmail-d065.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC5AA7171DCAE9-8FA8-1F578@webmail-d065.sysops.aol.com> Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 23:51:14 -0500 Message-ID: <249d5b951001032051w2c963b13mc7a7e6d0191f7547@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: Initial impression From: Steven Lytle To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00163600d6fda18463047c4f785c X-archive-position: 16781 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lytlesw@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --00163600d6fda18463047c4f785c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Seth wrote: > right on many points, my friend. welcome to Lojban, it is an amazing > language. If you have good ideas for an improved orthography, design one. > There have been several original orthographies produced, and more are always > welcome until the community finds one they love. > > seryf > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Klaus F. Abel > To: lojban-list@lojban.org > Sent: Sun, Jan 3, 2010 3:55 am > Subject: [lojban] Initial impression > > Dear friends, > > [much snipped] > > 5. The forced adding of an 's' (or at least any consonant, if I > understand correctly) to transliterated names that end on a vocal comes > across to me almost as an act of violence against a sacrosanct name, I find > it disturbing at best. Yet again the 'q' seems the ideal fit for the purpose > of fulfilling the rule that it must end on a consonant. It would not alter > the sound of the spoken name, since it would remain silent as the glottal > stop at the end of a word is not pronounced (hardly doable at all). (Could > this possibly create ambiguity in spoken language?) > > [more snipped] > > Sincerely, > > Klaus F. Abel > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org > > with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if > you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. > Klingon has lots of glottal stops, written as an apostrophe, in initial, medial, and final positions. I have never heard of anyone complaining that the glottal stop is hard to produce at the end of a word, and in fact, it distinguishes several minimal pairs of words. stevo --00163600d6fda18463047c4f785c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Seth <thirderivative@aol.c= om> wrote:
right on many points, my friend. welcome to Lojban, it is an amazing language. If yo= u have good ideas for an improved orthography, design one. There have been = several original orthographies produced, and more are always welcome until = the community finds one they love.

seryf


= -----Original Message-----
From: Klaus F. Abel <kfa@gmx.net>
To: lojban-list@lojban.org
Sent: Sun, Jan 3, 2010 3:55 am
Subject: [lojban] Initial impression
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5. Th= e forced adding of an 's' (or at least any consonant, if I understa= nd correctly) to transliterated names that end on a vocal comes across to m= e almost as an act of violence against a sacrosanct name, I find it disturb= ing at best. Yet again the 'q' seems the ideal fit for the purpose = of fulfilling the rule that it must end on a consonant. It would not alter = the sound of the spoken name, since it would remain silent as the glottal s= top at the end of a word is not pronounced (hardly doable at all). (Could t= his possibly create ambiguity in spoken language?)=A0
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Klingon has lots of glottal stops, written as an apostrophe, in in= itial, medial, and final positions. I have never heard of anyone complainin= g that the glottal stop is hard to produce at the end of a word, and in fac= t, it distinguishes several minimal pairs of words.
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stevo
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