From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Jan 04 11:48:42 2010 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 04 Jan 2010 11:48:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NRsuw-0007xT-5j for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 11:48:42 -0800 Received: from mail-yw0-f186.google.com ([209.85.211.186]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NRsul-0007uE-Rk for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 11:48:39 -0800 Received: by ywh16 with SMTP id 16so14126915ywh.25 for ; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 11:48:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=2YzIuI2q68YD/uyzY8kyki4yo0qh7PjFv7ZjOvkZl4w=; b=vSXjxCn45OoD8OCOKGlQjAcprI/01g9GIo6vSk+Q24LrKToL8+BaazGuoFtRKJoDke o4kRiWuH+06m1pwLXlS3plbmC2/R04g37X7OJiGEIeNYwwEqMTnWcuLkoDujwHUIwqQs TGfNSzLTk/XrpcQm9uwb53Nu/5Id0Zj0WuhRI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=nQzGW8RbYKkT8/ALr/W8VUzp1tvIgGhaMXKeqPTClG1P/AZBxTpg2xKjwcRY/U6hbD ooBlsYVyqCJHd1h8Mg4D9vNMvLVblV+yjo31dGWuRuOeNkfJK2xXS9WynxPCR/wZ4YtU 6tXUoa60JY8g1yzG+RPZ1106s5DKvLAifCv7s= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.32.28 with SMTP id k28mr35585875ybj.236.1262634505047; Mon, 04 Jan 2010 11:48:25 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <925d17561001041114q730db24w765a865db4fa6bb1@mail.gmail.com> References: <425e4ac21001031952t22834298oa24977c0eef72d35@mail.gmail.com> <425e4ac21001032050h48991b70rdf63974aab3da6a9@mail.gmail.com> <925d17561001040956n33e7c7edn30558cc45710a3e6@mail.gmail.com> <925d17561001041114q730db24w765a865db4fa6bb1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 14:48:24 -0500 Message-ID: <5715b9301001041148w20b0c4a8l61328a296fc99015@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: Initial impression From: Luke Bergen To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cdf14d4279107047c5c01e2 X-archive-position: 16793 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --000e0cdf14d4279107047c5c01e2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hmmm, maybe I'm misunderstanding your explanation xorxes but what exactly would be the difference between {zoi .gy blah blah .gy} and {zo'oi .blah blah.} where basically "." is the automatic delimiter "word" like ".gy" was in the {zoi...} phrase? 2010/1/4 Jorge Llamb=EDas > On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 3:54 PM, Adam D. Lopresto > wrote: > > On Mon, 4 Jan 2010, Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: > >> Selmaho ZOhOI would require the algorithm to pay > >> attention to pause/spaces at the syntactic level, which it currently > >> does not. > > > > Interesting. How does it deal with ZOI? > > Once the phoneme string has been split into words, when the parser > runs into an active ZOI (i.e. a ZOI that has not been deactivated by a > preceding magic word) it looks at the following word and keeps it in > memory, then it absorbs all words that don't match that word. When it > runs into a matching word, it closes the ZOI quote. This "keeping in > memory" part is the only part of the grammar that is actually not > really a true PEG. The text inside the ZOI quote might be completely > butchered from the point of view of the foreign language, which could > have different morphological rules than Lojban. From the point of view > of Lojban it is just a string of Lojban words and non-words, but > already processed into "word"-chunks. > > This wouldn't work for ZOhOI because now it matters whether these > pseudo-words are separated by pause/spaces or not. > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.or= g > with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if > you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. > > --000e0cdf14d4279107047c5c01e2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hmmm, maybe I'm misunderstanding your explanation xorxes but what exact= ly would be the difference between {zoi .gy blah blah .gy} and {zo'oi .= blah blah.} where basically "." is the automatic delimiter "= word" like ".gy" was in the {zoi...} phrase?

2010/1/4 Jorge Llamb=EDas = <jjllambias@gmail.com>
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 3:54 PM, Adam D. Lopresto <adam@pubcrawler.org> wrote:
> On Mon, 4 Jan 2010, Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote:
>> Selmaho ZOhOI would require the algorithm = to pay
>> attention to pause/spaces at the syntactic level, which it current= ly
>> does not.
>
> Interesting. =A0How does it deal with ZOI?

Once the phoneme string has been split into words, when the parser runs into an active ZOI (i.e. a ZOI that has not been deactivated by a
preceding magic word) it looks at the following word and keeps it in
memory, then it absorbs all words that don't match that word. When it runs into a matching word, it closes the ZOI quote. This "keeping in memory" part is the only part of the grammar that is actually not
really a true PEG. The text inside the ZOI quote might be completely
butchered from the point of view of the foreign language, which could
have different morphological rules than Lojban. From the point of view
of Lojban it is just a string of Lojban words and non-words, but
already processed into "word"-chunks.

This wouldn't work for ZOhOI because now it matters whether these
pseudo-words are separated by pause/spaces or not.

mu'o mi'e xorxes


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