From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sat Jan 23 14:02:04 2010 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:02:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NYo3P-0003P0-RI for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:02:04 -0800 Received: from mail-pw0-f47.google.com ([209.85.160.47]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NYo3E-0003GC-Pm for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:01:58 -0800 Received: by pwj10 with SMTP id 10so1668163pwj.26 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:01:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=9ws2JlEH7MjCRwO8JHjiTd/fS2rBwHqOVy6QRGnRVXY=; b=ofZNFaZNKosQi0v3mLpnaEJRazzYlY58LqRWMJdxQxxgb8s4zSGQvSqD/WAIKHKfbi HjK3d++A0L9AQrJfgUZGRJ3YgjMlBZC7s8ub5XVoTI4mqg9xdVrkyBAB+n2PLA4pSs85 hN3bZlScdP5Aod5gTNmyzhaugc19hoSHegLdQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=jx67duPKhjnb1ofbH9YS24KjMhneJdXgMnlNiVQ8eA/QGGcuI1lZiRasBM4Pzbigyc SFcIKhyy7bqH4FtF/TJ3rjRhLkWlqNfxWrrQmIH87B3TOxlcm5WwvUbDEdbkBiZnezT9 AFnBkDBAkejg37gQLmVcPNDCKmTxeYTdDtwok= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.2.37 with SMTP id 37mr3257715wfb.166.1264284106815; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:01:46 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <5715b9301001211425x545b84d3p82b1c3b40632358a@mail.gmail.com> References: <5715b9301001211330y36354477q3ae3e3049512152a@mail.gmail.com> <925d17561001211422h30febd27jbdbc5ad249532740@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9301001211425x545b84d3p82b1c3b40632358a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:01:46 -0800 Message-ID: <8905c87a1001231401ma53fa87i9b59e2a441064021@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: question about emphasis or something like it From: Judson Lester To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00504502ad4714f95f047ddc15ba X-archive-position: 16858 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: nyarly@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --00504502ad4714f95f047ddc15ba Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wouldn't that also be conveyed by place structure? In other words, I assume you'd use some more correct form of: lo te tavla spaji mi or lo nu do tavla spaji mi drani xu Judson On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > Thanks for the responses. I guess it would make sense that I was unsure > how to do this. I never really understood {kau} intuitively. > > 2010/1/21 Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas > > On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 6:30 PM, Luke Bergen >> wrote: >> > How would lojban differentiate between "I'm surprised that you said >> 'that'" >> > (emphasis on 'that' as opposed to saying 'this') vs "I'm surprised tha= t >> you >> > said 'that'" (emphasis on 'said' as opposed to 'wrote' or 'thought')? >> >> This is called "focus" in linguistics. See: >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focus_(linguistics) >> >> In Lojban you can probably indicate focus with "ba'e", but you can >> also do it with "kau" after a non-question word, see: >> http://jbotcan.org/docs/cll/c11/s8.html >> >> Also, any attitudinal will generally tend to put some focus on what it >> marks. >> >> mu'o mi'e xorxes >> >> >> To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to >> lojban-list-request@lojban.org >> with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or i= f >> you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. >> >> > --00504502ad4714f95f047ddc15ba Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wouldn't that also be conveyed by place structure?

In other word= s, I assume you'd use some more correct form of:

lo te tavla spa= ji mi

or

lo nu do tavla spaji mi

drani xu

Juds= on

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Luke Bergen= <lukeabergen= @gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks for the=C2=A0responses. =C2=A0I guess it would make sense that I was= unsure how to do this. =C2=A0I never really understood {kau} intuitively.<= br>
2010/1/21 Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas <jjll= ambias@gmail.com>

On Thu, Jan = 21, 2010 at 6:30 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
> How would lojban differentiate between "I'm surprised that yo= u said 'that'"
> (emphasis on 'that' as opposed to saying 'this') vs &q= uot;I'm surprised that you
> said 'that'" (emphasis on 'said' as opposed to &#= 39;wrote' or 'thought')?

This is called "focus" in linguistics. See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focus_(linguistics)

In Lojban you can probably indicate focus with "ba'e", but yo= u can
also do it with "kau" after a non-question word, see:
http:= //jbotcan.org/docs/cll/c11/s8.html

Also, any attitudinal will generally tend to put some focus on what it mark= s.

mu'o mi'e xorxes


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