From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sun Jan 24 23:41:30 2010 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 24 Jan 2010 23:41:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NZJZi-0005UI-16 for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 23:41:30 -0800 Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([75.180.132.122]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NZJZb-0005MV-7C for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 23:41:27 -0800 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=0dbv4n-o1bQA:10 a=kRJbSdrThbmIDVRJWJkA:9 a=EegIvVhP9M9hGZdwS1rzf6oQIi0A:4 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 71.71.198.100 Received: from [71.71.198.100] ([71.71.198.100:53174] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.39 r()) with ESMTP id 69/0B-19307-B1B4D5B4; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 07:41:16 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 661D0D620 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 02:41:14 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: camxes's reaction to some fu'ivla Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 02:41:04 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <201001222242.21483.phma@phma.optus.nu> <925d17561001230614x4505f61u5c566397d2dd57d0@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <925d17561001230614x4505f61u5c566397d2dd57d0@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <201001250241.06895.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-archive-position: 16864 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@phma.optus.nu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Saturday 23 January 2010 09:14:05 Jorge Llambías wrote: > Right. camxes accepts the CS syllable onset (where S stands for the > semivowels i, u), although there has never been an official decision > one way or the other about this. Why does vlatai reject them? I > thought vlatai was generally more permissive than camxes about these > things. Apparently because "marti'o" is a lujvo and something to do with the Loglan compromise orthography. > It should read them as "so iombo", "pe uence". It does say "so iombo", but "pe uence" is ungrammatical. > It's grammatical for example in "zo .a ierne", or "lo'u .a ierne le'u". True, but a sentence can't begin with ".a ierne", and I didn't put anything before "a". > Yes, because "am" and "liau" are valid syllables. camxes doesn't like > CCS as syllable onset. The issue is whether "iau" is a triphthong. The only hint in the refgram that there are triphthongs is "i,iai,i,iai,ion", and unlike the diphthongs where those that can occur in lujvo are distinguished from those that can't, there's no list of valid triphthongs. If "iau" is a triphthong, then "mliau" is one syllable, and a brivla must have at least two. > (Although the phonological issues that still have to be officially > settled are relatively few and marginal, the BPFK should make a > decision about them at some point, it probably doesn't look very good > for Lojban that we still haven't made up our mind about them.) Can we get Nora involved? She's the third person on this committee. Pierre -- Don't buy a French car in Holland. It may be a citroen. To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.