From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Jan 25 05:47:09 2010 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 25 Jan 2010 05:47:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NZPHY-0004uB-SE for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 05:47:09 -0800 Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NZPHR-0004lP-2o for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 05:47:04 -0800 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so2675151bwz.4 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 05:46:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=5P1Hy8+xlw+I6XVJQ54kP0TNQoag+y6gh3c/Zj2/NGY=; b=b3Emk/wsTRsSKW6oiHN15TSXPbNPgXSMxYWzUr2JIDASxYx+EroWpv7YnF+1/3/qmQ 8n+X3k8rIVkMkKuU+x/O92Co+kZa09TBjHJyAIRAppzIfYsxIJWFnUAMJr5k3HREYrOq nm89/Htja0bie8eCB+OV0ognijwn/lRh3fTjk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=U/s2HqbpW4lXqVVZY27rt/w53KGz/UP7V93rUv19rN1gERfQMK0xjFAA+c4uWt+f+R iA+TgdALMR1YilHDePJyDfNsTXGmaveH193lTt/0d1KYi038O4rclGVywrKy8D+KlNJt JvH9g6xzNLZqdTwCGE8h5qBhybj12ZDNtMJTs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.11.11 with SMTP id r11mr3838933bkr.12.1264427214247; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 05:46:54 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <201001250241.06895.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <201001222242.21483.phma@phma.optus.nu> <925d17561001230614x4505f61u5c566397d2dd57d0@mail.gmail.com> <201001250241.06895.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 10:46:54 -0300 Message-ID: <925d17561001250546s4da8f2a5je3c505e39735cf4c@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: camxes's reaction to some fu'ivla From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 16867 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 4:41 AM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Saturday 23 January 2010 09:14:05 Jorge Llambías wrote: > >> It's grammatical for example in "zo .a ierne", or "lo'u .a ierne le'u". > > True, but a sentence can't begin with ".a ierne", and I didn't put anything > before "a". The utterance ".a ierne si" is grammatical. But it's true that ".a ierne" by itself is not. >> (Although the phonological issues that still have to be officially >> settled are relatively few and marginal, the BPFK should make a >> decision about them at some point, it probably doesn't look very good >> for Lojban that we still haven't made up our mind about them.) > > Can we get Nora involved? She's the third person on this committee. We should probably make a list of outstanding issues. The ones that come to mind are: (1) Syllable onsets: (a) Is the empty onset allowed or not? This affects vowel clusters such as "oa", "aa", etc. in fu'ivla, which require an empty onset for the second vowel. (b) Are Ci/Cu onsets permitted in fu'ivla? Are CCi/CCu onsets permitted? Are CCCi/CCCu onsets permitted? Are 'i/'u onsets permitted? (c) Can i/u be onsets if the nucleus is a diphthong? (a.k.a. are triphthongs allowed?) (2) Syllable codas: how many consonants are allowed in a syllable coda? If more than one, are there any special restrictions? (3) Syllable nuclei: (I don't think there are any issues here.) (4) cmevla: Are the constraints for cmevla less strict than for fu'ivla (the ones mentioned above in particular.) Anything else? mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.