From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sun Feb 14 10:17:37 2010 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 14 Feb 2010 10:17:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ngj2H-0006nl-0r for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sun, 14 Feb 2010 10:17:37 -0800 Received: from mail-vw0-f53.google.com ([209.85.212.53]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ngj1t-0006jW-8x for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 14 Feb 2010 10:17:19 -0800 Received: by vws17 with SMTP id 17so1010332vws.40 for ; Sun, 14 Feb 2010 10:17:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=SO3whkK1v0X33VAC3OUBUhdrllLPClXuq6nxju0sR9Q=; b=mOIYSUMNquW1WjvAt3zxpl15XKAKxOhBKe2WV6Bmg2y609jN7TSgJTrtmgzxS9KeTa RPPSzxz6HU5gRIkIFmw2A7Gwy7kNLCngnaj29Q0zBtyudOG/skNFSUBXH+WbeBM+8ScK hKUH1/oje6eW1OtkwR4xet8YyPf2UWt0SURro= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=ftXVs+waFUbLjeOUCgJ33OCl/+k6Vj6kPCMc4mRrdK1j7lTXnTW9a/08SgEOOn7CHM KfGs+IiBFK6kdF9eEUhvkhEgywhkLM1r9KuojIfD7ioVWv7m+YDktd2C5w5FJw8O47sg IRoajb/OT442jGZFKTrkvQhgkRwXUCX63YCCk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.89.94 with SMTP id d30mr2923310vcm.21.1266171426177; Sun, 14 Feb 2010 10:17:06 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <702226df1002140737g5c92d927k7b471e764d2c34c3@mail.gmail.com> References: <401240.5931.qm@web88003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <702226df1002010715h68a3b3abuddaebae79ed8ea74@mail.gmail.com> <772284.89526.qm@web88004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <702226df1002010907q401169b1w1467e38f44dfaf3d@mail.gmail.com> <221614.99169.qm@web88007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <702226df1002011320y5c108575l2c201b4e607c234@mail.gmail.com> <702226df1002011331k4c07c9cfm9932ae55eaf6fcbb@mail.gmail.com> <20100214090601.GT19917@digitalkingdom.org> <702226df1002140737g5c92d927k7b471e764d2c34c3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 13:17:06 -0500 Message-ID: <5715b9301002141017h5ab0aeb7pb6cc08936785e250@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: smart.fm From: Luke Bergen To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00163631068d1502de047f938281 X-archive-position: 16931 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --00163631068d1502de047f938281 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 You could just put all the terms in and then use an autoIt script or something to modify the existing words later. That would remove some of the pain, I think. Now that I have a mic I could try to start helping. I have to head out at the moment but I can take a look later? Where would be a good place for me to start? (don't want to duplicate entries) On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones wrote: > > > On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 2:06 AM, Robin Lee Powell < > rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: > >> On Mon, Feb 01, 2010 at 03:31:14PM -0600, Jon Top Hat Jones wrote: >> > I have come to the conclusion that it would be beneficial to this >> > project if there was some sort of central online repository for >> > the lojban audio re: the Smart.fm lessons, the reason being that >> > it would be a simple matter for those of us who are putting the >> > entries in the lessons would be able to download the audio for the >> > entry from said repository. >> >> Is there some reason not to just make a page on the main web site >> and attach them? >> >> Um, permission? > > >> General commentary on the project as a whole: >> >> I find myself looking for a web service for flashcard stuff, and >> this seems decent enough. There is something I'm wondering about >> how you went about it, though: >> >> Why not get all the words up there even if you don't have audio for >> them? Can't you attach audio later? That way people who don't need >> pronounciation help can just use them. I don't think that having >> sound for every single gismu is really all that helpful, anyways; >> having sound for sentences is something else entirely, of course. >> > Honestly, the only reason for having the audio first is because, at this > point, Smart.fm is really flawed insofar as editing existing items is > concerned. To attach audio to an item when creating the item is virtually > painless and takes basically the amount of time required to find the file on > your computer, whereas to attach audio to an already created file takes as > much as 4 times that amount. In addition, if the person attaching the audio > is not the person that created the entry, Smart.fm duplicates the item and > attaches the audio to the duplicate, which causes myriad other problems. > > Granted, the audio doesn't matter for people that already know the correct > way to pronounce lojban. I suppose it's not absolutely neccessary to have > it. There is a problem in not attaching audio, however, that being that > without it, Smart.fm will still play audio for the entries, in the form of a > computer-generated female voice that attampts to pronounce them according to > English rules. > > > >> As it is, it's basically completely useless for me to keep >> up-to-date on my Lojban memorization, which is sad. >> > Because it's incomplete? I agree. It is sad. And it will comtinue to be > incomplete for a very long time, because at this point in time there are > only two people working on it AT ALL, and it'll take a very long time to > make the lesson complete. At this point slightly less than 11% of the > eventual entries have definitions for Smart.fm, and only 3.5% of the terms > have been entered into Smart.fm. There are 4,843 terms in total. That's an > awful lot of work for two people- which is why I've asked for assistance on > numerous occasions. > > >> It seems to me that the right thing to do is to make cards for all >> the base words, then make sentences that use many of them and make >> sound for those (say, phrasebook type stuff), *then* make sounds for >> individual words. >> >> -Robin >> >> -- >> They say: "The first AIs will be built by the military as weapons." >> And I'm thinking: "Does it even occur to you to try for something >> other than the default outcome?" See http://shrunklink.com/cdiz >> http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ >> >> >> To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to >> lojban-list-request@lojban.org >> with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if >> you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. >> >> > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu > > --00163631068d1502de047f938281 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You could just put all the terms in and then use an autoIt script or someth= ing to modify the existing words later. =A0That would remove some of the pa= in, I think.

Now that I have a mic I could try to start = helping. =A0I have to head out at the moment but I can take a look later? = =A0Where would be a good place for me to start? (don't want to duplicat= e entries)

On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 10:3= 7 AM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:


On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 2:06 A= M, Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> = wrote:
On Mon, Feb 01, 2010 at 03:31:14PM -0600, Jon Top Hat Jones wrote:
= > I have come to the conclusion that it would be beneficial to this
&= gt; project if there was some sort of central online repository for
> the lojban audio re: the Smart.fm lessons, the reason being that
&g= t; it would be a simple matter for those of us who are putting the
> = entries in the lessons would be able to download the audio for the
> entry from said repository.

Is there some reason not to just make a page on the main web site=
and attach them?

Um, permission?
=A0
General commentary on the project as = a whole:

I find myself looking for a web service for flashcard stuff= , and
this seems decent enough. =A0There is something I'm wondering about
= how you went about it, though:

Why not get all the words up there ev= en if you don't have audio for
them? =A0Can't you attach audio l= ater? =A0That way people who don't need
pronounciation help can just use them. =A0I don't think that having
= sound for every single gismu is really all that helpful, anyways;
having= sound for sentences is something else entirely, of course.
Honestly, the only reason for having the audio first is because,= at this point, Smart.fm is really flawed insofar as editing existing items= is concerned. To attach audio to an item when creating the item is virtual= ly painless and takes basically the amount of time required to find the fil= e on your computer, whereas to attach audio to an already created file take= s as much as 4 times that amount. In addition, if the person attaching the = audio is not the person that created the entry, Smart.fm duplicates the ite= m and attaches the audio to the duplicate, which causes myriad other proble= ms.
=A0
Granted, the audio doesn't matter for people that already know the= correct way to pronounce lojban. I suppose it's not absolutely neccess= ary to have it. There is a problem in not attaching=A0audio, however, that = being that without it, Smart.fm will still play audio for the entries, in t= he form of a computer-generated female voice that attampts to pronounce the= m according to English rules.
=A0
=A0
As it is, it's basically complete= ly useless for me to keep
up-to-date on my Lojban memorization, which is= sad.
Because it's incomplete? I agree. It is sad. And it will com= tinue to be incomplete for a very long time, because at this point in time = there are only two people working on it AT ALL, and it'll take a very l= ong time to make the lesson complete. At this point=A0slightly less than 11= % of the eventual entries have definitions for Smart.fm, and only 3.5% of t= he terms have been entered into Smart.fm. There are 4,843 terms in total. T= hat's an awful lot of work for two people- which is why I've asked = for assistance on numerous occasions.
=A0
It seems to me that the right thing t= o do is to make cards for all
the base words, then make sentences that u= se many of them and make
sound for those (say, phrasebook type stuff), *then* make sounds for
ind= ividual words.

-Robin

--
They say: =A0"The first AIs = will be built by the military as weapons."
And I'm =A0thinking:= =A0"Does it even occur to you to try for something
other =A0than =A0the default =A0outcome?" =A0See http://shrunklink.com/cdiz
http://ww= w.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/


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