From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sun Feb 14 15:43:37 2010 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 14 Feb 2010 15:43:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ngo7j-0006zk-Ft for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sun, 14 Feb 2010 15:43:36 -0800 Received: from mail-ew0-f223.google.com ([209.85.219.223]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ngo7Z-0006w8-GO for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 14 Feb 2010 15:43:33 -0800 Received: by ewy23 with SMTP id 23so253214ewy.4 for ; Sun, 14 Feb 2010 15:43:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=SjZPaT1J5sg5nl2gz4986mY17cSBke6WEXdv/DXx8QM=; b=tJEtJ8CcNe2DIv4bjhFzmnQmsXRlHGkGZd1wEB3wjsAqtuYvPO0KuDSguB91mikuny Mpc/0ciONU3IaFFTw6s9GpG/1hk5U2mFMuqlbofk+TT9MOjF62GQj7foynQ3tQ6jxQRz eIs0H8/X/H8UL92aw8pVkdtWreThg+UN92aLo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=r9EgMKZeS5EL5R+b21wE9qbkDBjozIKukYZaoiMhuQRfTOmYPRwXrewL9XtW4z9fBw VXrQnlPur6VspGdyZvhVw2OJTxLbAPM6vXxI74/w5S/YjF66wxhADBWURklcNvppRhKr Muo3PE8+8LLSgWrQskljFphoVko0YIbcH/Mzs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.65.76 with SMTP id h12mr2419577ebi.41.1266190998830; Sun, 14 Feb 2010 15:43:18 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <702226df1002141427w7f00e894y49e6281a6221957c@mail.gmail.com> References: <401240.5931.qm@web88003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <772284.89526.qm@web88004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <702226df1002010907q401169b1w1467e38f44dfaf3d@mail.gmail.com> <221614.99169.qm@web88007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <702226df1002011320y5c108575l2c201b4e607c234@mail.gmail.com> <702226df1002011331k4c07c9cfm9932ae55eaf6fcbb@mail.gmail.com> <20100214090601.GT19917@digitalkingdom.org> <702226df1002140737g5c92d927k7b471e764d2c34c3@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9301002141017h5ab0aeb7pb6cc08936785e250@mail.gmail.com> <702226df1002141427w7f00e894y49e6281a6221957c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 18:43:18 -0500 Message-ID: <249d5b951002141543s21cdc235jd2762c3334791979@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: smart.fm From: MorphemeAddict To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00c09f8a5560b4000b047f9810a9 X-archive-position: 16933 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lytlesw@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --00c09f8a5560b4000b047f9810a9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 It seems to me that smart.fm is not so smart, and so maybe a different venue would be better. stevo On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 5:27 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones wrote: > Smart.fm doesn't currently have any method to add or edit entries except > manually, one at a time. > > The best place to start is the smart.fm gismu Google doc, > which the location where all the work, excepting the audio, is being done at > this point. > > On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Luke Bergen wrote: > >> You could just put all the terms in and then use an autoIt script or >> something to modify the existing words later. That would remove some of the >> pain, I think. >> >> Now that I have a mic I could try to start helping. I have to head out at >> the moment but I can take a look later? Where would be a good place for me >> to start? (don't want to duplicate entries) >> >> On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones > > wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 2:06 AM, Robin Lee Powell < >>> rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: >>> >>>> On Mon, Feb 01, 2010 at 03:31:14PM -0600, Jon Top Hat Jones wrote: >>>> > I have come to the conclusion that it would be beneficial to this >>>> > project if there was some sort of central online repository for >>>> > the lojban audio re: the Smart.fm lessons, the reason being that >>>> > it would be a simple matter for those of us who are putting the >>>> > entries in the lessons would be able to download the audio for the >>>> > entry from said repository. >>>> >>>> Is there some reason not to just make a page on the main web site >>>> and attach them? >>>> >>>> Um, permission? >>> >>> >>>> General commentary on the project as a whole: >>>> >>>> I find myself looking for a web service for flashcard stuff, and >>>> this seems decent enough. There is something I'm wondering about >>>> how you went about it, though: >>>> >>>> Why not get all the words up there even if you don't have audio for >>>> them? Can't you attach audio later? That way people who don't need >>>> pronounciation help can just use them. I don't think that having >>>> sound for every single gismu is really all that helpful, anyways; >>>> having sound for sentences is something else entirely, of course. >>>> >>> Honestly, the only reason for having the audio first is because, at this >>> point, Smart.fm is really flawed insofar as editing existing items is >>> concerned. To attach audio to an item when creating the item is virtually >>> painless and takes basically the amount of time required to find the file on >>> your computer, whereas to attach audio to an already created file takes as >>> much as 4 times that amount. In addition, if the person attaching the audio >>> is not the person that created the entry, Smart.fm duplicates the item and >>> attaches the audio to the duplicate, which causes myriad other problems. >>> >>> Granted, the audio doesn't matter for people that already know the >>> correct way to pronounce lojban. I suppose it's not absolutely neccessary to >>> have it. There is a problem in not attaching audio, however, that being that >>> without it, Smart.fm will still play audio for the entries, in the form of a >>> computer-generated female voice that attampts to pronounce them according to >>> English rules. >>> >>> >>> >>>> As it is, it's basically completely useless for me to keep >>>> up-to-date on my Lojban memorization, which is sad. >>>> >>> Because it's incomplete? I agree. It is sad. And it will comtinue to be >>> incomplete for a very long time, because at this point in time there are >>> only two people working on it AT ALL, and it'll take a very long time to >>> make the lesson complete. At this point slightly less than 11% of the >>> eventual entries have definitions for Smart.fm, and only 3.5% of the terms >>> have been entered into Smart.fm. There are 4,843 terms in total. That's an >>> awful lot of work for two people- which is why I've asked for assistance on >>> numerous occasions. >>> >>> >>>> It seems to me that the right thing to do is to make cards for all >>>> the base words, then make sentences that use many of them and make >>>> sound for those (say, phrasebook type stuff), *then* make sounds for >>>> individual words. >>>> >>>> -Robin >>>> >>>> -- >>>> They say: "The first AIs will be built by the military as weapons." >>>> And I'm thinking: "Does it even occur to you to try for something >>>> other than the default outcome?" See http://shrunklink.com/cdiz >>>> http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ >>>> >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to >>>> lojban-list-request@lojban.org >>>> with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or >>>> if >>>> you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>> >>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu >>> >>> >> > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu > > --00c09f8a5560b4000b047f9810a9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It seems to me that smart.fm is not so= smart, and so maybe a different venue would be better.
=A0
stevo
On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 5:27 PM, Jon "Top H= at" Jones <e= yeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
Smart.fm doesn't currently have any method to add or edit entries = except manually, one at a time.
=A0
The best place to start is the smart.fm gismu Google doc, which the location where all= the work, excepting the audio, is being done at this point.

On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
You could just put all the terms= in and then use an autoIt script or something to modify the existing words= later. =A0That would remove some of the pain, I think.=20

Now that I have a mic I could try to start helping. =A0I have to head = out at the moment but I can take a look later? =A0Where would be a good pla= ce for me to start? (don't want to duplicate entries)

On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Jon "Top = Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:


On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 2:06 AM, Robin Lee Powell &l= t;rlpowell= @digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
On Mon, Feb 01, 2010 at 03:31:14PM -0600, Jon Top Hat Jones wrote:
= > I have come to the conclusion that it would be beneficial to this
&= gt; project if there was some sort of central online repository for
> the lojban audio re: the Smart.fm lessons, the reason being that
&g= t; it would be a simple matter for those of us who are putting the
> = entries in the lessons would be able to download the audio for the
> = entry from said repository.

Is there some reason not to just make a page on the main web site=
and attach them?

Um, permission?
=A0
General commentary on the projec= t as a whole:

I find myself looking for a web service for flashcard = stuff, and
this seems decent enough. =A0There is something I'm wondering about
= how you went about it, though:

Why not get all the words up there ev= en if you don't have audio for
them? =A0Can't you attach audio l= ater? =A0That way people who don't need
pronounciation help can just use them. =A0I don't think that having
= sound for every single gismu is really all that helpful, anyways;
having= sound for sentences is something else entirely, of course.
Honestly, the only reason for having the audio first is because, at th= is point, Smart.fm is really flawed insofar as editing existing items is co= ncerned. To attach audio to an item when creating the item is virtually pai= nless and takes basically the amount of time required to find the file on y= our computer, whereas to attach audio to an already created file takes as m= uch as 4 times that amount. In addition, if the person attaching the audio = is not the person that created the entry, Smart.fm duplicates the item and = attaches the audio to the duplicate, which causes myriad other problems.
=A0
Granted, the audio doesn't matter for people that already know the= correct way to pronounce lojban. I suppose it's not absolutely neccess= ary to have it. There is a problem in not attaching=A0audio, however, that = being that without it, Smart.fm will still play audio for the entries, in t= he form of a computer-generated female voice that attampts to pronounce the= m according to English rules.
=A0
=A0
As it is, it's basically com= pletely useless for me to keep
up-to-date on my Lojban memorization, whi= ch is sad.
Because it's incomplete? I agree. It is sad. And it will comtinue = to be incomplete for a very long time, because at this point in time there = are only two people working on it AT ALL, and it'll take a very long ti= me to make the lesson complete. At this point=A0slightly less than 11% of t= he eventual entries have definitions for Smart.fm, and only 3.5% of the ter= ms have been entered into Smart.fm. There are 4,843 terms in total. That= 9;s an awful lot of work for two people- which is why I've asked for as= sistance on numerous occasions.
=A0
It seems to me that the right th= ing to do is to make cards for all
the base words, then make sentences t= hat use many of them and make
sound for those (say, phrasebook type stuff), *then* make sounds for
ind= ividual words.

-Robin

--
They say: =A0"The first AIs = will be built by the military as weapons."
And I'm =A0thinking:= =A0"Does it even occur to you to try for something
other =A0than =A0the default =A0outcome?" =A0See http://shrunklink.com/cdiz
http://ww= w.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/


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.i.a'o.e'e ko kla= ma le bende pe denpa bu





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