From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Feb 16 00:22:17 2010 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 16 Feb 2010 00:22:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NhIhF-0005jO-62 for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 00:22:17 -0800 Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NhIhD-0005gD-6k for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 00:22:15 -0800 Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 00:22:15 -0800 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: smart.fm Message-ID: <20100216082215.GZ19917@digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org References: <401240.5931.qm@web88003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <702226df1002010715h68a3b3abuddaebae79ed8ea74@mail.gmail.com> <772284.89526.qm@web88004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <702226df1002010907q401169b1w1467e38f44dfaf3d@mail.gmail.com> <221614.99169.qm@web88007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <702226df1002011320y5c108575l2c201b4e607c234@mail.gmail.com> <702226df1002011331k4c07c9cfm9932ae55eaf6fcbb@mail.gmail.com> <20100214090601.GT19917@digitalkingdom.org> <702226df1002140737g5c92d927k7b471e764d2c34c3@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <702226df1002140737g5c92d927k7b471e764d2c34c3@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-archive-position: 16942 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 08:37:12AM -0700, Jon Top Hat Jones wrote: > > On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 2:06 AM, Robin Lee Powell > > <[1]rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: > > > Why not get all the words up there even if you don't have audio for > > them? �Can't you attach audio later? �That way people who don't need > > pronounciation help can just use them. �I don't think that having > > sound for every single gismu is really all that helpful, anyways; > > having sound for sentences is something else entirely, of course. > > Honestly, the only reason for having the audio first is > because, at this point, Smart.fm is really flawed insofar as > editing existing items is concerned. To attach audio to an item > when creating the item is virtually painless and takes > basically the amount of time required to find the file on your > computer, whereas to attach audio to an already created file > takes as much as 4 times that amount. In addition, if the > person attaching the audio is not the person that created the > entry, Smart.fm duplicates the item and attaches the audio to > the duplicate, which causes myriad other problems. > > Granted, the audio doesn't matter for people that already know the correct > way to pronounce lojban. I suppose it's not absolutely neccessary to have > it. There is a problem in not attaching�audio, however, that being that > without it, Smart.fm will still play audio for the entries, in the form of > a computer-generated female voice that attampts to pronounce them > according to English rules. Oof. Are you sure this is the right place for Lojban learning? There are a bunch of spaced-repitition flashcard sites out there; why this one? Not being hostile, genuinely asking. -Robin -- They say: "The first AIs will be built by the military as weapons." And I'm thinking: "Does it even occur to you to try for something other than the default outcome?" See http://shrunklink.com/cdiz http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.