From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Feb 22 13:29:23 2010 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 22 Feb 2010 13:29:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NjfqD-0007zw-RV for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 22 Feb 2010 13:29:23 -0800 Received: from mail-fx0-f222.google.com ([209.85.220.222]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NjfpX-0007eS-LN for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 22 Feb 2010 13:28:44 -0800 Received: by fxm22 with SMTP id 22so3035711fxm.26 for ; Mon, 22 Feb 2010 13:28:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=YjD5lAr0FRm1keDjzjDQCiPiGXwyLquv+776krQc/SI=; b=LLaHj1T67MnBa743hB+9oo6akK836IDF/y7JHoBI59B44/IOyfVVGa6YXT5dm+WhHQ tPD2GEtr9Hqf+uKu7PuKDDg/+5viv6EnqILKkxmhDz/eQoCFkBo1ErQprCKD2SiBNtpm S8hKSX8gja9yYM06jhyCFKfc6VLnWgl4QrGoc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=upolbqO6hBZTaqoT/8XnzJwdnG0q2W+m93Sx6s87HdSHg227fFMi5pGp+5LqlVh5y8 jAhc1917tfTm5hlVvW5DSdQx+22yPbJGfBpEm1PjVIVWedvLKQxnGLLTd1LGuyU/DDko 4IvzArlOXQn6Vb3e7VmPK5dmGfira6tFEkixU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.205.11 with SMTP id h11mr11144093muq.110.1266874113159; Mon, 22 Feb 2010 13:28:33 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <5715b9301002221045h726fbcaeu36140fc1b3f3b4e0@mail.gmail.com> References: <5715b9301002221045h726fbcaeu36140fc1b3f3b4e0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 22:28:33 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: [lojban] Re: before or after From: Dag Odenhall To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 16996 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: dag.odenhall@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list UI describe the preceding word, or the grammatical scope of that structure. {pe'a mi donri} is all figurative: the scope is the scope of the invisible {i}. {mi donri pe'a} scopes to {donri} and {la pe'a donri cu donri} scopes {la donri} as would {la donri ku pe'a}. {pe'a} also has a rafsi, which can't end a lujvo due to ending in a consonant: {mi pevdo'i} probably means the same as {mi donri pe'a}. On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 7:45 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > I could swear that I've seen people use {pe'a} to say that the following > word is figurative but I see in chapter 13 of The Book that it actually > marks the previous word as figurative.  This has come back to bite me a > couple of times before with other words.  Is there some good general rule to > make it easier to remember when something modifies the following word vs the > previous word?  Are all of the selma'o at least consistent within > themselves?  (i.e. if one UI* marks the previous word do ALL UI* mark the > previous word?) >  ki'e mi'e pafcribe To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.