From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Feb 23 02:45:00 2010 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 23 Feb 2010 02:45:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NjsGC-0006sP-Gm for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 02:45:00 -0800 Received: from mail-fx0-f222.google.com ([209.85.220.222]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NjsFy-0006Bs-5t for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 02:44:53 -0800 Received: by fxm22 with SMTP id 22so3647003fxm.26 for ; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 02:44:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=cyPeYFs91D8lQlbP096d9UBEA9kRsaNGKkuT5InMXus=; b=Pe2a6Y1H+QLCaWhky+F4onRos+bL4jxaKRBnMtrBA0GsIWriKXBeohKZdXEyjcBRqs KFyjijgeGqj2BVsS2HUCQbyMvgs5feK7x8EPqSaqkkzpF88WaLDJyHlVdLzmcjmQ5fJ+ Dx4Rpt0kwbRC1JymTYdjLfv+HazZtBhWdPYmI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=FLYRJgPYkjaLfTCHqzOcSf7rfdh6lv5UK3KHiZUvwbHfMVe6g5TP54FS60i2nufMkT YxNwoEgowyle/7++iDEkaGJxMkotyhCG9YyhNCEvFkIl0sa1GAanEz9NSz7pXXsLcl57 dnG3DJWkRF4BbPKPtTvv9GDeX22zQBq1qIwa0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.87.28 with SMTP id p28mr11593347mul.83.1266921878997; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 02:44:38 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <4B77F0FD.3080908@perpetuum-immobile.de> <201002141220.48195.phma@phma.optus.nu> <96f789a61002150742j10e63ba6w901ac3c84302d551@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 11:44:38 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: [lojban] Re: "which of you is the first to..."? From: Dag Odenhall To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 17003 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: dag.odenhall@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list OK, I can see why you avoided this solution, neither of you is the absolute first jbopre. But I'd argue the x3 makes it possible, and leaving it zo'e we can infer it means something like "beginning studies before the other". On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Dag Odenhall wrote: > la florolf ji do pamoi lo'i jbopre > > Why are you all making it so complicated? > > On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 4:42 PM, Michael Turniansky > wrote: >> On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 12:20 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: >>> On Sunday 14 February 2010 07:47:57 Timo Paulssen wrote: >>>> coi rodo >>>> >>>> vensa on the irc just asked for the best way to ask "among florolf and you, >>>> who was the first lojbanist?" and he came up with >>>> >>>>   ma poi me do ce la florolf ku'o cu du pamoi le jbopre >>>> >>>> and that's too long for my taste. >>>> After considering a few different words to make it work (ji, zmadu/traji, >>>> moi) i came up with the still rather flawed >>>> >>>>   xu la florolf do zmadu lo ni clira lojbo binxo >>>> >>>> because it only works with two people, which vensa immediately noticed. >>>> >>>> What would be a good way to express that? >>> >>> ma pamoi be do ce la florolf. be'o jbopre >>> or even shorter >>> ma jbopre co pamoi do ce la florolf. >>> >>> mu'omi'e .pier. >>> -- >> >>  Could be all sorts of interesting ways: >> >> la florolf ji do pamoi le'i cilre be fi la lojban [lo detri]   seems >> to me to be the most straightforward. >> >> For a real ridiculous one, try this: >> ge'i la florolf ce'o do gi ra sece'o ri cu porsi lo prula'i be fi lo >> nu cilre fi la lojban >> >> For a less ridiculous one, try: >> ma cu porsi lo  prula'i be fi lo nu cilre fi la lojban la folrolf ce do >>            --gejyspa >> >> >> To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org >> with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if >> you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. >> >> > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.