From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Mar 02 15:09:18 2010 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 02 Mar 2010 15:09:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NmbDJ-0004fW-UC for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Tue, 02 Mar 2010 15:09:18 -0800 Received: from mail-gw0-f53.google.com ([74.125.83.53]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NmbDD-0004cr-3j for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 02 Mar 2010 15:09:17 -0800 Received: by gwj19 with SMTP id 19so393637gwj.40 for ; Tue, 02 Mar 2010 15:09:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=w4niIcaC5DbUNKW+TPxYzC4nZg0uHY2WY+vl1AvCgcg=; b=AMLrayOZlyGO/WjrNgH/X+M5/LBFiee1jh16P9EnCmb4lm2v8dyws3I+Lt85o7akqC Vd3LCAckGsM9RR0Jnh9JMXZTVasB1JqLE5qqgp3T3ludO+nFQ/9yAPjzlnyKiJc83F4s +eLkgYHbFtQN9IZBqEWi258kui/q1guZs79a4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=exFVfqOuKL4Mk8c0qdYLp65yENHweheX5z4WEwb5O9RDpwY0gBeBVXdFsg/qZtpqYP A1qF2AZC9hm/9MOdg/hMZMlUH66x3a0VboB7kVCTXUUTcXU+x2p+9bwW04xJCxVQ1jTB tF4Ip3QGvVhsH/r9edidtIG0RDGfGyOFvEfJI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.46.30 with SMTP id t30mr224788ybt.286.1267571344841; Tue, 02 Mar 2010 15:09:04 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20100302214224.GI1159@digitalkingdom.org> References: <27513e551002212150u42e9dbcbv8115a83795dbb393@mail.gmail.com> <702226df1002220753g468a7a8fld8a8ee6741bd02a7@mail.gmail.com> <20100222160244.GS31805@digitalkingdom.org> <702226df1002250800xdc52e09g3e17856b5d67f30f@mail.gmail.com> <702226df1003010648r3b2376a1w93d7a792af638da4@mail.gmail.com> <33739.83087.qm@web50405.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20100302194118.GH1159@digitalkingdom.org> <702226df1003021251n1f442ec7nb9f5fb0bb8a13c23@mail.gmail.com> <20100302214224.GI1159@digitalkingdom.org> Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 23:09:04 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: [lojban] Re: Lindar is very nice to volunteer! (was Re: Re: smart.fm and fooling text-to-speech) From: Geoffrey Beresford To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd59f9ebc9b610480d973a3 X-archive-position: 17038 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: gfberesford@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --000e0cd59f9ebc9b610480d973a3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I know this is a bit further down the line, but right now the smartfm words are learned in alphabetical order. What about making the order sync up with the order they're introduced in Lojban For Beginners (or whatever lojban-learning text people vote for)? This would make smart.fm a much more useful tool for people learning lojban from the chosen text. Not as important for people who already know all/most of the lojban vocabulary, but really important for beginners. -Geoff On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 9:42 PM, Robin Lee Powell < rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: > On Tue, Mar 02, 2010 at 01:51:58PM -0700, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > Now we wait for Lindar to run the program that will > > automatically generate the sound files for the entries, which > > are all listed in alphabetical order in column 'H' of page > > 'items' in document '[1]tinyurl.com/smartfmgismu', wait for it > > to finish, and upload them to > > '[2]http://www.lojban.org/tiki/valsi+Sound+Files'. > > I'm sorry, what are you talking about? What program? Why would > Lindar run it; Lindar just dropped out? I'm *totally* lost. > > My question was intended to be a largely rhetorical shot at Lindar, > btw. I'm assuming the next step is for either someone else to offer > to do the recording, or for us to just use espeak (possibly to > replace later). > > Why did anyone even write tinyurl.com/smartfmgismu ? I don't > understand why simplifying things for smart.fm is a good idea at > all, and even if it is, it can be done with a few minutes' > scripting, or pulling the data from jbofihe (which already has > phrases for all the gismu places). > > > I can't do this myself due to not having access to my computer at th= is > > point, but you could probably bash script it. Assuming that Orca is = on > > Linux, and operates as >orca {input text} {output file} -{options}, > the > > actual recording execution would be 'orca %1 %1.mp3', with a for loo= p > to > > read in each of the column 'H' entries into %1. The hard part, I > imagine, > > would be extracting column 'H' into a text file. > > =EF=BF=BD > > So, at a guess, maybe 5 minutes to extract 'H', 10 minutes to code t= he > > bash script, 45 minutes to debug and make sure it works correctly. S= o, > my > > conservative estimate on the amount of time it would take to record = an > > audio file for each of the entries is two hours, not including the > amount > > of time spent leaving the computer on and waiting for the script to > > finish, or the time required to upload the files (archived or > otherwise) > > to '[4]http://www.lojban.org/tiki/valsi+Sound+Files'. > > If that's you volunteering, please feel free. > > -Robin > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.or= g > with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if > you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. > > --000e0cd59f9ebc9b610480d973a3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I know this is a bit further down the line, but right now the smartfm words= are learned in alphabetical order. What about making the order sync up wit= h the order they're introduced in Lojban For Beginners (or whatever loj= ban-learning text people vote for)? This would make smart.fm a much more useful tool for people learning lojban from t= he chosen text.=C2=A0
Not as important for people who already know all/most of the lojban vocabul= ary, but really important for beginners.

-Geoff

On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 9:42 PM, Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalki= ngdom.org> wrote:
On Tue, Mar 02, 2010 at 0= 1:51:58PM -0700, Jonathan Jones wrote:
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0Now we wait for Lindar to run the program that will
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0automatically generate the sound files for the entries, w= hich
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0are all listed in alphabetical order in column 'H'= ; of page
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0'items' in document '[1]tinyurl.com/smartfmgismu= ', wait for it
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0to finish, and upload them to
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0'[2]http://www.lojban.org/tiki/valsi+Sound+File= s'.

I'm sorry, what are you talking about? =C2=A0What program? =C2=A0Why wo= uld
Lindar run it; Lindar just dropped out? =C2=A0I'm *totally* lost.

My question was intended to be a largely rhetorical shot at Lindar,
btw. =C2=A0I'm assuming the next step is for either someone else to off= er
to do the recording, or for us to just use espeak (possibly to
replace later).

Why did anyone even write tinyurl.com/smartfmgismu ? =C2=A0I don't
understand why simplifying things for smart.fm is a good idea at
all, and even if it is, it can be done with a few minutes'
scripting, or pulling the data from jbofihe (which already has
phrases for all the gismu places).

> =C2=A0 =C2=A0I can't do this myself due to not having access to my= computer at this
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0point, but you could probably bash script it. Assuming th= at Orca is on
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0Linux, and operates as >orca {input text} {output file= } -{options}, the
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0actual recording execution would be 'orca %1 %1.mp3&#= 39;, with a for loop to
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0read in each of the column 'H' entries into %1. T= he hard part, I imagine,
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0would be extracting column 'H' into a text file.<= br> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0=EF=BF=BD
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0So, at a guess, maybe 5 minutes to extract 'H', 1= 0 minutes to code the
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0bash script, 45 minutes to debug and make sure it works c= orrectly. So, my
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0conservative estimate on the amount of time it would take= to record an
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0audio file for each of the entries is two hours, not incl= uding the amount
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0of time spent leaving the computer on and waiting for the= script to
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0finish, or the time required to upload the files (archive= d or otherwise)
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0to '[4]http://www.lojban.org/tiki/valsi+Sound+F= iles'.

If that's you volunteering, please feel free.

-Robin


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