From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Mar 03 15:36:17 2010 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 03 Mar 2010 15:36:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Nmy6y-0005wW-A7 for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Wed, 03 Mar 2010 15:36:16 -0800 Received: from mail-wy0-f181.google.com ([74.125.82.181]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Nmy6s-0005vp-FU for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 03 Mar 2010 15:36:15 -0800 Received: by wyb39 with SMTP id 39so1131075wyb.40 for ; Wed, 03 Mar 2010 15:36:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=hlHB6A4V2aS4eYPW2ZUkHmD3jgyTysfMmgeyfouv8u0=; b=FDvf/OtVUDdHtk0Q5Eul1g0cu33Corpppg4r+25hBjmrrGnI+Gnog7ySWcSdaXft4X /UTfQ5ngFjlJkBtqBnnxSbhs4EMaQdIOtDKrKoJMV53nLbVXf5pgdCnGXsbS3U6erM4p NrNVZnqsVRqkzhDN48obJ86L2qtxwo3J/1ReU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=QyESbnsq5YSMXYvbXswnjY+y2re0zGkee7mLIMgbRSvLni59l034k/gwMrgOr3yfVR OXYd5VHwSjHoZHxqW9+eoSbBSS3a0vMwcbsRVOVN9xwogfpsLboSD6g5wVZHSZJNcXqo LyT0GVKffyv+LK/1VX1S7K5y7LuBkkDxfdthA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.87.16 with SMTP id x16mr722152wee.27.1267659361756; Wed, 03 Mar 2010 15:36:01 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20100303231339.GC1159@digitalkingdom.org> References: <20100303220721.GX1159@digitalkingdom.org> <702226df1003031457i5f3bafe0w7df2dfa49ad6dc0b@mail.gmail.com> <20100303230307.GA1159@digitalkingdom.org> <702226df1003031510l1c53a9e1yc192b2ffdf99cbeb@mail.gmail.com> <20100303231339.GC1159@digitalkingdom.org> Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 16:36:01 -0700 Message-ID: <702226df1003031536n376e5d09r1c817a5d0b67ceb2@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: More espeak words, please. From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6dab150f427c00480edf1b7 X-archive-position: 17060 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: eyeonus@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --0016e6dab150f427c00480edf1b7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 4:13 PM, Robin Lee Powell < rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: > On Wed, Mar 03, 2010 at 04:10:48PM -0700, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > The list of the items is finished, the definitions for Smart.fm are > not. > > In point of fact, there are exactly three areas that are not finished- > the > > audio for the entries, > > Yep. > > > the simplified definitions for Smart.fm for about 70% of the > > items, > > Trivially producable from jbofihe data. I still want someone to > explain to me why we're simplifying them in the first place? > > Oi, I've already said why. The gismu definitions need to be simplified because, 1) The definitions from the gismu list are, more often than not, too long for Smart.fm's cards, so they need to be shortened to fit, and 2) They non-vocal punctuation needs to be edited out. For this reason the definition for bakfu, which in the gismu list is "x1 is a bundle/package/cluster/clump/pack [shape/form] containing x2, held together by x3", becomes "x1 is a bundle or pack containing x2 held together by x3" The reason the sumti-fied gismu need to edited is because the phrasing jbofi'e uses is quite often very awkward if not downright confusing. The phrase jbofi'e returns for {lo te bakfu} is"any/some hold-er(s) of bundle", which can easily be confused for "a person holding a bundle", which is wrong, as the x5 of {bakfu} is "what is holding a pack together". Quite a lot of the entries can be used almost as is, but they still need to be gone through for that very reason. > > and the adding of the items to Smart.fm with audio, which > > apparently we are still not to do as Smart.fm hasn't added > > "Lojban" to the language list yet. > > It's actually in the system now, just not in the right places. :) > I'm talking to them about it. > > -Robin > > -- > They say: "The first AIs will be built by the military as weapons." > And I'm thinking: "Does it even occur to you to try for something > other than the default outcome?" See http://shrunklink.com/cdiz > http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org > with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if > you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. > > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu --0016e6dab150f427c00480edf1b7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 4:13 PM, Robin Le= e Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
On Wed, Mar 03, 2010 at 04:10:48PM -0700, Jonathan Jones = wrote:
> =A0 =A0The list of the items is finished, the definitions for Smart.fm= are not.
> =A0 =A0In point of fact, there are exactly three areas that are not fi= nished- the
> =A0 =A0audio for the entries,

Yep.

> the simplified definitions for Smart.fm for about 70% of the
> items,

Trivially producable from jbofihe data. =A0I still want someone to explain to me why we're simplifying them in the first place?

Oi, I've already said why= . The gismu definitions need to be simplified because, 1) The definitions f= rom the gismu list are, more often than not, too long for Smart.fm's ca= rds, so they need to be shortened to fit, and 2) They non-vocal punctuation= needs to be edited out.
=A0
For this reason the definition for bakfu, whic= h in the gismu list is "x1 is a bundle/package/cluster/clump/pack [sha= pe/form] containing x2, held together by x3", becomes "x1 is a bu= ndle or pack containing x2 held together by x3"

The reason the sumti-fied gismu need to edited is becau= se the phrasing jbofi'e uses is quite often very awkward if not downrig= ht confusing. The phrase jbofi'e returns for {lo te bakfu} is"any/= some hold-er(s) of bundle", which can easily be confused for "a p= erson holding a bundle", which is wrong, as the x5 of {bakfu} is "= ;what is holdi= ng a pack together".

Quite a= lot of the entries can be used almost as is, but they still need to be gon= e through for that very reason.

=A0
> and the adding of the items to Smart.fm with audio, which
> apparently we are still not to do as Smart.fm hasn't added
> "Lojban" to the language list yet.

It's actually in the system now, just not in the right places. = =A0:)
I'm talking to them about it.

-Robin

--
They say: =A0"The first AIs will be built by the military as weapons.&= quot;
And I'm =A0thinking: =A0"Does it even occur to you to try for some= thing
other =A0than =A0the default =A0outcome?" =A0See http://shrunklink.com/cdiz
http= ://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/


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