From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Mar 04 08:03:58 2010 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 04 Mar 2010 08:03:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NnDWo-00069E-4F for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Thu, 04 Mar 2010 08:03:58 -0800 Received: from mail-bw0-f219.google.com ([209.85.218.219]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NnDWh-00068E-Pa for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 04 Mar 2010 08:03:57 -0800 Received: by bwz19 with SMTP id 19so140313bwz.26 for ; Thu, 04 Mar 2010 08:03:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=mtxU+cNpZM5zpgiHVWzE5aYji9cyLwsqCuZrTPb4Et0=; b=I/h6pPQNfqMU4RyTkxYwkZKdTswds6ZH/SrKjSP1X0/9P1TSIwgesF6kmgANjvLfkp sdCca6muKSkVC0SwDjTqLdz71vNxZK2bzScCrT+qgYM2hANN+3Ii+hneQuiQCuxQRbM6 nujXQPrfHDUv6h2/ZdEGbXKOKsAB0YVI6s5Ns= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=vfvnwMXlDwjT6jn23AJQYYNiFZOlOC98gggHYxKUJkdcTX2IgXXOBAbKvgSwjWP3mA Cp9tUOehmiuyZyZ/YD9Ln+46ndeDaT3bppxPU6TJMu2Nu2b21Ta9/qY56U5LeKQEcUUh gOb+CeT9y+f1kfPrOaEPBf0coPbdromztkNV0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.122.36 with SMTP id z36mr430483mum.93.1267718624860; Thu, 04 Mar 2010 08:03:44 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <702226df1003040735j468fb753y13666ab05fb4c612@mail.gmail.com> References: <20100303220721.GX1159@digitalkingdom.org> <702226df1003031457i5f3bafe0w7df2dfa49ad6dc0b@mail.gmail.com> <20100303230307.GA1159@digitalkingdom.org> <702226df1003031510l1c53a9e1yc192b2ffdf99cbeb@mail.gmail.com> <20100303231339.GC1159@digitalkingdom.org> <702226df1003031536n376e5d09r1c817a5d0b67ceb2@mail.gmail.com> <20100304000922.GF1159@digitalkingdom.org> <702226df1003040735j468fb753y13666ab05fb4c612@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 17:03:44 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: [lojban] Re: More espeak words, please. From: Dag Odenhall To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 17071 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: dag.odenhall@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list Argh, please use the oblique keywords list rather than jbofihe. More human and natural. On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 4:35 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > For the gismu definitions, all the extraneous stuff (eg. anything between > any braces) to be removed, all '/' replaced with ' or ', and all variants > removed (eg. "bundle/package/cluster/clump/pack" except for the one or two > most common or most different. (so, for example, the word in the third > and/or fourth column of the gismu list, with {bakfu}, that would be 'bundle' > and 'pack', whereas with {balni}, it would be 'balcony' and 'shelf'.) > However, as Dag pointed out, the gismu definitions already have a simplified > form, so I don't think much if anything needs to be done for that. > For the sumti definitions, for lack of a better way to put it, a humanized > grammatical phrase. Some examples: > sumti jbofi'e phrase Smart.fm definition > lo bakri any/some chalk(s) a quantity of chalk > lo se bakri any/some chalk source(s)  a source of chalk > lo te bakri any/some chalk form(s) a form of chalk > sumti jbofi'e phrase Smart.fm definition > lo cenba any/some vary-er(s) something varying > lo se cenba  any/some variant property(ies) a property of variance > lo te cenba any/some degree(s) of variation a degree of variation > lo ve cenba any/some conditions for variation a condition of varying > sumti jbofi'e phrase Smart.fm definition > lo dukse any/some excess(es) an excess > lo se dukse any/some in excess thing(s) something in excess > lo te dukse any/some standard for excess a standard of excess > > On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Robin Lee Powell > wrote: >> >> On Wed, Mar 03, 2010 at 04:36:01PM -0700, Jonathan Jones wrote: >> >    On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 4:13 PM, Robin Lee Powell >> >    <[1]rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: >> > >> >      On Wed, Mar 03, 2010 at 04:10:48PM -0700, Jonathan Jones wrote: >> >      > � �The list of the items is finished, the definitions for >> > Smart.fm are >> >      not. >> >      > � �In point of fact, there are exactly three areas that are not >> >      finished- the >> >      > � �audio for the entries, >> > >> >      Yep. >> >      > the simplified definitions for Smart.fm for about 70% of the >> >      > items, >> > >> >      Trivially producable from jbofihe data. �I still want someone to >> >      explain to me why we're simplifying them in the first place? >> > >> >    Oi, I've already said why. The gismu definitions need to be >> > simplified >> >    because, 1) The definitions from the gismu list are, more often than >> > not, >> >    too long for Smart.fm's cards, so they need to be shortened to fit, >> > and 2) >> >    They non-vocal punctuation needs to be edited out. >> > >> >    For this reason the definition for bakfu, which in the gismu list is >> > "x1 >> >    is a bundle/package/cluster/clump/pack [shape/form] containing x2, >> > held >> >    together by x3", becomes "x1 is a bundle or pack containing x2 held >> >    together by x3" >> >> Again: that can be done well enough for the vast majority of words >> by a simple script, and then fix the mistakes by hand. >> >> I just hate to see people spending human time when machine time >> would do the job.  Tell me what format you want it in, and I'll >> write something to do what you just did to all the gismu. >> >> -Robin >> >> -- >> They say:  "The first AIs will be built by the military as weapons." >> And I'm  thinking:  "Does it even occur to you to try for something >> other  than  the default  outcome?"  See http://shrunklink.com/cdiz >> http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ >> >> >> To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org >> with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if >> you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. >> > > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.