From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Mar 04 14:58:13 2010 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 04 Mar 2010 14:58:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NnJzh-0007vV-5K for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Thu, 04 Mar 2010 14:58:13 -0800 Received: from mail-fx0-f222.google.com ([209.85.220.222]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NnJzb-0007s4-Hr for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 04 Mar 2010 14:58:12 -0800 Received: by fxm22 with SMTP id 22so3503173fxm.26 for ; Thu, 04 Mar 2010 14:58:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=u5y2ahg6yiKH8NgaM44fYwvILJHC0dyZPrPVl2CZyqE=; b=Z01XTaLaymqD4IFw+NGgH/RNAOuKaozpXZq4y37deGHS6lD3KYsH+AJSwnYWuP536p +7E9MEJcoLugXRVCF6oTZBFQKP4odA7JRYovX3tHm9/KInK7kvHit2pZrS8AUT7KCb7s G6yShEipk4mRiUzukQUN/Jys6anB+JWPsv/O4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=dfGU909DEi9TEesvCGX7cWxU3ZG5Cpn9Bw/v1tmfKe602RKIERU46M9yg3JuHVJzYJ ZRITo0K4pistXD0YoS/hNu14Np0mS8OR1oPgOaagaoVlu1OaZGh8FmeJaJR2ipmxEQoZ v2f71P0HUi3wpgDm+XL66HJ0pstgagGxYxmlQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.127.201 with SMTP id h9mr66957fas.56.1267743480685; Thu, 04 Mar 2010 14:58:00 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <5715b9301003041442r613e933g80234426ff0d4cb5@mail.gmail.com> References: <395141.17119.qm@web88001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <96f789a61003040653h3cbf33fbn82c24ece8e63ec22@mail.gmail.com> <925d17561003040928r5d2d85efma8db985509ffbadf@mail.gmail.com> <369994.71546.qm@web50404.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <925d17561003041351u11a65d8fpadc799cd405f8291@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9301003041359u2e158b13gac898593a8311c1d@mail.gmail.com> <925d17561003041414w6122f0c4y757f43f70a9bbcd5@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9301003041442r613e933g80234426ff0d4cb5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 19:58:00 -0300 Message-ID: <925d17561003041458s5ea277c6y5e8d401d1120b29a@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: Fw: bridi tail negation From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=GB2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 17083 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list 2010/3/4 Luke Bergen : > haha, right, I always forget the {cu}. I've read somewhere or other in the > CLL that changing places around can be used to change the emphasis of a > bridi much like saying "the store was gone to by mi" changes the emphasis to > the store instead of "I went to the store". Maybe he was emphasizing the > event of {zanfri} instead of the experiencer. Yes, so the two options are: na'e se zanfri fa lo nu zutse ne'i le ricyzda or: na'e zanfri lo nu zutse ne'i la ricyzda But Lindar suggested: na'e se zanfri lo nu zutse ne'i le ricyzda which puts the event in the place of the experiencer instead of the place of the experience. mu'o mi'e xorxes > > 2010/3/4 Jorge Llamb¨Şas >> >> 2010/3/4 Luke Bergen : >> > But what if he wanted to emphasize the x2 place? Like {lo zarci se >> > klama >> > mi} instead of {mi klama lo zarci}? >> >> (You do need "cu" in front of "se klama".) >> >> I'm not sure I understand your question, >> >> mu'o mi'e xorxes >> >> > 2010/3/4 Jorge Llamb¨Şas >> >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 6:31 PM, Lindar Greenwood >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >>  {.i na'e se zanfri fa lonu zutse ne'i le ricyzda gi'e na tavla}? >> >> > >> >> > I have nothing helpful to contribute other than pointing out that you >> >> > didn't need to explicitly mark {fa} if you used {se}. >> >> > It isn't wrong, it's just redundant. >> >> >> >> Actually, he wouldn't need "fa" if he hadn't used "se". With "se", he >> >> does need "fa" because he sent the place he wants to fill, originally >> >> x2, to x1. >> >> >> >> mu'o mi'e xorxes >> >> >> >> >> >> To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to >> >> lojban-list-request@lojban.org >> >> with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or >> >> if >> >> you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org >> with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if >> you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. >> > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.