From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Mar 04 16:25:27 2010 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 04 Mar 2010 16:25:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NnLM6-0008Cx-9M for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Thu, 04 Mar 2010 16:25:27 -0800 Received: from mail-qy0-f192.google.com ([209.85.221.192]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NnLLx-0008Br-50 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 04 Mar 2010 16:25:23 -0800 Received: by qyk30 with SMTP id 30so3190540qyk.16 for ; Thu, 04 Mar 2010 16:25:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=DlCiKCfoAgSJCWEueWf4nPcw8sb1IhK4zJvVhsPYGeo=; b=i8IZCHyn+VWhBHZXCMGydMPmTDiEoLu9tBr9iDzoRwBsx1EMf70nrPJkr1S8t1eBUm 3yJAWUZ9ZhAWEYVUrFilk8J2+Rx/I90JOIfYWlkSbshl3Wqqj6/x/n5YsLvEe7xeiExx rGEO3tTC5cSFz/DG6FAssP00RckC2q1LtLQp4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=CKrgz0mFhgmJrc1BtAoR017iv0xkatRchA4ERCBinq2whlYKigT1Ve0zyxY+N7bXTZ NM4vJ0GQMwBTEVvyCzzCiYqLpxoANyx0dzvb/cE0dIzwSo7eiqZbHafhlMoazMbzWfxf kbZzSudfPxOnx6eWGkMjMLNn6kdDzuiOsaR8g= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.58.195 with SMTP id i3mr2746304qah.180.1267748710129; Thu, 04 Mar 2010 16:25:10 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <925d17561003041458s5ea277c6y5e8d401d1120b29a@mail.gmail.com> References: <395141.17119.qm@web88001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <96f789a61003040653h3cbf33fbn82c24ece8e63ec22@mail.gmail.com> <925d17561003040928r5d2d85efma8db985509ffbadf@mail.gmail.com> <369994.71546.qm@web50404.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <925d17561003041351u11a65d8fpadc799cd405f8291@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9301003041359u2e158b13gac898593a8311c1d@mail.gmail.com> <925d17561003041414w6122f0c4y757f43f70a9bbcd5@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9301003041442r613e933g80234426ff0d4cb5@mail.gmail.com> <925d17561003041458s5ea277c6y5e8d401d1120b29a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 19:25:09 -0500 Message-ID: <5715b9301003041625p1f7f8afcvb5298bb36f41664b@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: Fw: bridi tail negation From: Luke Bergen To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00c09f9559ce8824a6048102bf0a X-archive-position: 17085 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --00c09f9559ce8824a6048102bf0a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=GB2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable well yeah, that one would be wrong. I was defending totus not lindar =3DP 2010/3/4 Jorge Llamb=A8=AAas > 2010/3/4 Luke Bergen : > > haha, right, I always forget the {cu}. I've read somewhere or other in > the > > CLL that changing places around can be used to change the emphasis of a > > bridi much like saying "the store was gone to by mi" changes the emphas= is > to > > the store instead of "I went to the store". Maybe he was emphasizing t= he > > event of {zanfri} instead of the experiencer. > > Yes, so the two options are: > > na'e se zanfri fa lo nu zutse ne'i le ricyzda > > or: > > na'e zanfri lo nu zutse ne'i la ricyzda > > But Lindar suggested: > > na'e se zanfri lo nu zutse ne'i le ricyzda > > which puts the event in the place of the experiencer instead of the > place of the experience. > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > > > > > 2010/3/4 Jorge Llamb=A8=AAas > >> > >> 2010/3/4 Luke Bergen : > >> > But what if he wanted to emphasize the x2 place? Like {lo zarci se > >> > klama > >> > mi} instead of {mi klama lo zarci}? > >> > >> (You do need "cu" in front of "se klama".) > >> > >> I'm not sure I understand your question, > >> > >> mu'o mi'e xorxes > >> > >> > 2010/3/4 Jorge Llamb=A8=AAas > >> >> > >> >> On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 6:31 PM, Lindar Greenwood > >> >> wrote: > >> >> >> >> =A0{.i na'e se zanfri fa lonu zutse ne'i le ricyzda gi'e na > tavla}? > >> >> > > >> >> > I have nothing helpful to contribute other than pointing out that > you > >> >> > didn't need to explicitly mark {fa} if you used {se}. > >> >> > It isn't wrong, it's just redundant. > >> >> > >> >> Actually, he wouldn't need "fa" if he hadn't used "se". With "se", = he > >> >> does need "fa" because he sent the place he wants to fill, original= ly > >> >> x2, to x1. > >> >> > >> >> mu'o mi'e xorxes > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to > >> >> lojban-list-request@lojban.org > >> >> with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, > or > >> >> if > >> >> you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to > lojban-list-request@lojban.org > >> with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or > if > >> you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. > >> > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.or= g > with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if > you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. > > --00c09f9559ce8824a6048102bf0a Content-Type: text/html; charset=GB2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable well yeah, that one would be wrong.  I was defending totus not lindar = =3DP

2010/3/4 Jorge Llamb=A8=AAas <jjllambias@gmail.com= >
2010/3/4 Luke Bergen <= lukeabergen@gmail.com>:
> haha, right, I always forget the {cu}.  I= 've read somewhere or other in the
> CLL that changing places around can be used to change the emphasis of = a
> bridi much like saying "the store was gone to by mi" changes= the emphasis to
> the store instead of "I went to the store".  Maybe he w= as emphasizing the
> event of {zanfri} instead of the experiencer.

Yes, so the two options are:

  na'e se zanfri fa lo nu zutse ne'i le ricyzda

or:

  na'e zanfri lo nu zutse ne'i la ricyzda

But Lindar suggested:

  na'e se zanfri lo nu zutse ne'i le ricyzda

which puts the event in the place of the experiencer instead of the
place of the experience.

mu'o mi'e xorxes


>
> 2010/3/4 Jorge Llamb=A8=AAas <jjllambias@gmail.com>
>>
>> 2010/3/4 Luke Bergen <= lukeabergen@gmail.com>:
>> > But what if he wanted to emphasize the x2 place?  Like {= lo zarci se
>> > klama
>> > mi} instead of {mi klama lo zarci}?
>>
>> (You do need "cu" in front of "se klama".)
>>
>> I'm not sure I understand your question,
>>
>> mu'o mi'e xorxes
>>
>> > 2010/3/4 Jorge Llamb=A8=AAas <jjllambias@gmail.com>
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 6:31 PM, Lindar Greenwood
>> >> <lindartheb= ard@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> =A0{.i na'e se zanfri fa lonu zutse= ne'i le ricyzda gi'e na tavla}?
>> >> >
>> >> > I have nothing helpful to contribute other than poin= ting out that you
>> >> > didn't need to explicitly mark {fa} if you used = {se}.
>> >> > It isn't wrong, it's just redundant.
>> >>
>> >> Actually, he wouldn't need "fa" if he hadn&= #39;t used "se". With "se", he
>> >> does need "fa" because he sent the place he wan= ts to fill, originally
>> >> x2, to x1.
>> >>
>> >> mu'o mi'e xorxes
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to
>> >> lojban-= list-request@lojban.org
>> >> with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or=
>> >> if
>> >> you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org
>> with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if
>> you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.
>>
>
>


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