From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Mar 04 19:17:19 2010 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 04 Mar 2010 19:17:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NnO2Q-0001o1-B8 for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Thu, 04 Mar 2010 19:17:18 -0800 Received: from mail-yx0-f171.google.com ([209.85.210.171]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NnO2C-0001ju-7t for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 04 Mar 2010 19:17:18 -0800 Received: by yxe1 with SMTP id 1so551212yxe.0 for ; Thu, 04 Mar 2010 19:16:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=77Q9vd+qn6/+Cl7nlO0orL82Zm3sLKPNBHL46TnMwZk=; b=QGXpT82sApFeRQvQUnrCDuC/pC9VCimdZuXbZS76VOPYhGxJbnlpNbPo+NwshymODU mQRKnMrwYOfFI8TK1JFpCZkGQ3dab7JaDZTKws16V4YYSPFMFQ80UkosHHJ4hdx6wRMg JOh09P7ZrYdrde8YEl4uG7hxLwqSqRjWL4pP0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=Q2+pff11tTkTqi3cMS6kAfex5RGrxEDBpYpN7N2eZimanx8GiQNRDGhrI82fScRc1/ Oinoh8PiuUB6XovIYuNdVzBcTfhYipAyblu0j2as79tzLbRHyD3cC57j73hu9ujCjiUV aLvcOZKx8Gs/mDIKx5vl84v2KK4EyxF/ineIg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.131.20 with SMTP id i20mr1000914ann.45.1267759016095; Thu, 04 Mar 2010 19:16:56 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <5715b9301003041442r613e933g80234426ff0d4cb5@mail.gmail.com> References: <395141.17119.qm@web88001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <96f789a61003040653h3cbf33fbn82c24ece8e63ec22@mail.gmail.com> <925d17561003040928r5d2d85efma8db985509ffbadf@mail.gmail.com> <369994.71546.qm@web50404.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <925d17561003041351u11a65d8fpadc799cd405f8291@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9301003041359u2e158b13gac898593a8311c1d@mail.gmail.com> <925d17561003041414w6122f0c4y757f43f70a9bbcd5@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9301003041442r613e933g80234426ff0d4cb5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 22:16:56 -0500 Message-ID: <249d5b951003041916n67235566jf7415ce90e4dc757@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: Fw: bridi tail negation From: MorphemeAddict To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c92870d0af2504810525c3 X-archive-position: 17087 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lytlesw@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --001636c92870d0af2504810525c3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I once stated that the emphasis of the arguments changes when SE is used, but was told that SE does not cause such change in emphasis. It would be handy if it did. stevo 2010/3/4 Luke Bergen > haha, right, I always forget the {cu}. I've read somewhere or other in t= he > CLL that changing places around can be used to change the emphasis of a > bridi much like saying "the store was gone to by mi" changes the emphasis= to > the store instead of "I went to the store". Maybe he was emphasizing the > event of {zanfri} instead of the experiencer. > > > 2010/3/4 Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas > >> 2010/3/4 Luke Bergen : >> > But what if he wanted to emphasize the x2 place? Like {lo zarci se >> klama >> > mi} instead of {mi klama lo zarci}? >> >> (You do need "cu" in front of "se klama".) >> >> I'm not sure I understand your question, >> >> mu'o mi'e xorxes >> >> > 2010/3/4 Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas >> >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 6:31 PM, Lindar Greenwood >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> =E7=88=97.i na'e se zanfri fa lonu zutse ne'i le ricyzda gi'e n= a tavla}? >> >> > >> >> > I have nothing helpful to contribute other than pointing out that y= ou >> >> > didn't need to explicitly mark {fa} if you used {se}. >> >> > It isn't wrong, it's just redundant. >> >> >> >> Actually, he wouldn't need "fa" if he hadn't used "se". With "se", he >> >> does need "fa" because he sent the place he wants to fill, originally >> >> x2, to x1. >> >> >> >> mu'o mi'e xorxes >> >> >> >> >> >> To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to >> lojban-list-request@lojban.org >> >> with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, o= r >> if >> >> you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to >> lojban-list-request@lojban.org >> with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or i= f >> you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. >> >> > --001636c92870d0af2504810525c3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I once stated that the emphasis of the arguments changes when SE is us= ed, but was told that SE does not cause such change in emphasis. It would b= e handy if it did.
=C2=A0
stevo

2010/3/4 Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com>
haha, right, I always forget the= {cu}. =C2=A0I've read somewhere or other in the CLL that changing plac= es around can be used to change the emphasis of a bridi much like saying &q= uot;the store was gone to by mi" changes the emphasis to the store ins= tead of "I went to the store". =C2=A0Maybe he was emphasizing the= event of {zanfri} instead of the=C2=A0experiencer.=20


2010/3/4 Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas &= lt;jjllambias@gma= il.com>
2010/3/4 Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com>:
> But what if he wanted to emphasize the x2 place? =C2=A0Like {lo z= arci se klama
> mi} instead of {mi klama lo zarci}?

(You= do need "cu" in front of "se klama".)

I'm n= ot sure I understand your question,

mu'o mi'e xorxes

> 2010/3/4 Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas = <jjllambias@gm= ail.com>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 6:31 PM, Lin= dar Greenwood
>> <l= indarthebard@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> >> =E7=88= =97.i na'e se zanfri fa lonu zutse ne'i le ricyzda gi'e na tavl= a}?
>> >
>> > I have nothing helpful to contribute other than pointing out = that you
>> > didn't need to explicitly mark {fa} if you us= ed {se}.
>> > It isn't wrong, it's just redundant.
>>
>> Actually, he wouldn't need "fa" if he ha= dn't used "se". With "se", he
>> does need= "fa" because he sent the place he wants to fill, originally
>> x2, to x1.
>>
>> mu'o mi'e xorxes
>= ;>
>>
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>>
>
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