From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Mar 05 04:35:08 2010 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 05 Mar 2010 04:35:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NnWkF-0001fX-Ue for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Fri, 05 Mar 2010 04:35:08 -0800 Received: from mail-fx0-f222.google.com ([209.85.220.222]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NnWk8-0001bp-U2 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 05 Mar 2010 04:35:05 -0800 Received: by fxm22 with SMTP id 22so4131139fxm.26 for ; Fri, 05 Mar 2010 04:34:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=otgb7xyOus5Emvfz70Zntp8sZq2Kx2hwGyts7/Y2w80=; b=mnd52pAbnFxppRfHAQwNfo1mMs/hlXAuf0UyB6LysBexo+bc42RK/AQYLh8HdiCMuI 1RcymT4qUhy+5TXeueANBDWmlHIGegN8HexD0W0N121fFzyEx8jsUBJT0TWfjWq2Pp6O n2DKjulMdxKIpt5s1l86KL2b4FOuMSDr5G4W0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=GwhYc+jZT/Q5t+Lo7St+VXyZ4o6wJtsRKNPwk3eFsDXL0vAmARlSsVPD3BFST5P4tt qBNiee0XG2SXC7AJVQ6inlPbk8kUNZUl6o+wuURtmmK2bO/HmErMe6HM66CRvQr8qFGl 3FVBOFFwIeXnaHHMW2N+arcfgFeoOQoV2dQgw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.17.70 with SMTP id r6mr1006325faa.24.1267792493510; Fri, 05 Mar 2010 04:34:53 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <249d5b951003041916n67235566jf7415ce90e4dc757@mail.gmail.com> References: <395141.17119.qm@web88001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <96f789a61003040653h3cbf33fbn82c24ece8e63ec22@mail.gmail.com> <925d17561003040928r5d2d85efma8db985509ffbadf@mail.gmail.com> <369994.71546.qm@web50404.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <925d17561003041351u11a65d8fpadc799cd405f8291@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9301003041359u2e158b13gac898593a8311c1d@mail.gmail.com> <925d17561003041414w6122f0c4y757f43f70a9bbcd5@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9301003041442r613e933g80234426ff0d4cb5@mail.gmail.com> <249d5b951003041916n67235566jf7415ce90e4dc757@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 09:34:53 -0300 Message-ID: <925d17561003050434m7010e535rca50dd0e79eb79a6@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: Fw: bridi tail negation From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-archive-position: 17089 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 12:16 AM, MorphemeAddict wrote: > I once stated that the emphasis of the arguments changes when SE is used, > but was told that SE does not cause such change in emphasis. It would be > handy if it did. I think bringing an argument to the front does make it more topical. But in this case, it was not really brought to the front, or it was brought to the front only to be pushed back again with "fa": zanfri ko'a -> se zanfri fa ko'a So the difference in this case is not really about ko'a, but about where the elided zo'e is: (zo'e) zanfri ko'a -> se zanfri fa ko'a (zo'e) In the second form the experiencer is perhaps even more irrelevant than in the first form. mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.