From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Mar 05 06:34:00 2010 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 05 Mar 2010 06:34:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NnYbH-0008O6-AY for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Fri, 05 Mar 2010 06:34:00 -0800 Received: from mail-ww0-f53.google.com ([74.125.82.53]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NnYbA-0008LN-5A for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 05 Mar 2010 06:33:58 -0800 Received: by wwi18 with SMTP id 18so2209063wwi.40 for ; Fri, 05 Mar 2010 06:33:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=d9O3ixyT1Bf+yj/6CO7Ec2uoiYvNpGuD3Z3GOqVoMVA=; b=UIMYH+JSACwGjNCUqS1BoTYQyag3a+dRHNyQul1fGmkYjiEKFmkg7kc2kcLH2Ff63O qX1kdBy9qtqLaIaM82nidvRsuQPgElKTtiD6yHWsL0xOXOoefUUJ927dJc9hAk2GYuNr /Sg4KLhx7oo3RCwmgQi0B3WWC6bGFveRtkLJA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=PcufPZpkYF9ONChSv1YaWgbRBHorXPCiD/OUsKECUYqPTn1qRPm6J7xiAGB5Jk4q0u e4tlb08qeTfLTkfIM4T4rDWjcfxeBdiPThSk81uJcDBJwv73wIOaF7vfSXSWCAFxPuQ1 AH7V5goKb62PeJS/75O11d6ltokHxYUBLBslI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.168.9 with SMTP id j9mr144898wel.152.1267799625350; Fri, 05 Mar 2010 06:33:45 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20100303220721.GX1159@digitalkingdom.org> <20100303231339.GC1159@digitalkingdom.org> <702226df1003031536n376e5d09r1c817a5d0b67ceb2@mail.gmail.com> <20100304000922.GF1159@digitalkingdom.org> <702226df1003040735j468fb753y13666ab05fb4c612@mail.gmail.com> <702226df1003040850r6815c001g7fcce149a445bbe4@mail.gmail.com> <20100304190829.GH1159@digitalkingdom.org> <702226df1003041519v36bb962dvda5580054044182a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 07:33:45 -0700 Message-ID: <702226df1003050633o1867e02bre21166c9557a7ba9@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: More espeak words, please. From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00163683351c50c25704810e9aad X-archive-position: 17092 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: eyeonus@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --00163683351c50c25704810e9aad Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 11:07 PM, Dag Odenhall wrote: > How is "vary-ers" more natural than "variable", It's not. It's merely "varier" spelled wrong with a '-' in it. However, it does, IMO, have the advantage of less confusingly defining {lo cenba} than 'variable', and both are less 'natural' than 'something varying'. > and how is "cenba1;" > more difficult to remove than "any/some...(s)"? Easier, if anything. > > Because *all* the jbofi'e phrases have 'any/some' and '(s)', whereas only one of the oblique keywords has "cenba1". To remove 'any/some' and '(s)' is two instances of find/replace with '', to remove '[gismu][#];' is at least one per gismu, plus one each for '1;', '2;', '3;', '4;', and '5;'. > On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 12:19 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > No need. I've already got the latter for all the sumti. > > > > What's needed is to take that and make them into phrases as per my > > previous example two of my posts ago. > > > > On 3/4/10, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > >> On Thu, Mar 04, 2010 at 09:50:02AM -0700, Jonathan Jones wrote: > >>> Not really, and the list is also a lot more difficult to edit: > >>> > >>> From oblique keywords: > >>> bakri1;chalk > >>> bakri2;chalk source > >>> bakri3;chalk form > >>> cenba1;variable; vary > >>> cenba2;varying property > >>> cenba3;variance; varying amount > >>> cenba4;variance conditions > >>> dukse1;excess > >>> dukse2;in excess > >>> dukse3;excess standard > >>> From jbofi'e, with 'any/some', '(' and ')' auto-removed: > >>> chalks > >>> chalk sources > >>> chalk forms > >> > >> That's about 2 seconds of scripting for me, to turn the former into > >> the latter, so if you want that let me know. > >> > >> -Robin > >> > >> -- > >> They say: "The first AIs will be built by the military as weapons." > >> And I'm thinking: "Does it even occur to you to try for something > >> other than the default outcome?" 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On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 11:07 PM, Dag Odenhall <dag.odenhall@gmail.com> wrote:
How is "vary-ers" more natural than "variable",

It's not. It's merely "varier" s= pelled wrong with a '-' in it. However, it does, IMO, have the adva= ntage of less confusingly defining {lo cenba} than 'variable', and = both are less 'natural' than 'something varying'.
=A0
and how is "cenba1;&quo= t;
more difficult to remove than "any/some...(s)"? Easier, if anythi= ng.

Because= =A0all=A0the jbofi'e phrases have 'any/some' and '(s= )', whereas only one of the oblique keywords has "cenba1". To= remove 'any/some' and '(s)' is two instances of find/repla= ce with '', to remove '[gismu][#];' is at least one per gis= mu, plus one each for '1;', '2;', '3;', '4;'= ;, and '5;'.
=A0
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 12:19 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
> No need. I've already got the latter for all the sumti.
>
> What's needed is to take that and make them into phrases as per my=
> previous example two of my posts ago.
>
> On 3/4/10, Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
>> On Thu, Mar 04, 2010 at 09:50:02AM -0700, Jonathan Jones wrote: >>> =A0 =A0Not really, and the list is also a lot more difficult t= o edit:
>>>
>>> =A0 =A0From oblique keywords:
>>> =A0 =A0bakri1;chalk
>>> =A0 =A0bakri2;chalk source
>>> =A0 =A0bakri3;chalk form
>>> =A0 =A0cenba1;variable; vary
>>> =A0 =A0cenba2;varying property
>>> =A0 =A0cenba3;variance; varying amount
>>> =A0 =A0cenba4;variance conditions
>>> =A0 =A0dukse1;excess
>>> =A0 =A0dukse2;in excess
>>> =A0 =A0dukse3;excess standard
>>> =A0 =A0From jbofi'e, with 'any/some', '(' = and ')' auto-removed:
>>> =A0 =A0chalks
>>> =A0 =A0chalk sources
>>> =A0 =A0chalk forms
>>
>> That's about 2 seconds of scripting for me, to turn the former= into
>> the latter, so if you want that let me know.
>>
>> -Robin
>>
>> --
>> They say: =A0"The first AIs will be built by the military as = weapons."
>> And I'm =A0thinking: =A0"Does it even occur to you to try= for something
>> other =A0than =A0the default =A0outcome?" =A0See http://shrunklink.com/cdiz=
>> http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/
>>
>>
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>> you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.
>>
>>
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