From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Mar 05 06:45:02 2010 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 05 Mar 2010 06:45:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NnYlx-0000pK-Ir for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Fri, 05 Mar 2010 06:45:02 -0800 Received: from mail-pz0-f179.google.com ([209.85.222.179]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NnYlq-0000o5-CB for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 05 Mar 2010 06:45:01 -0800 Received: by pzk9 with SMTP id 9so1067770pzk.25 for ; Fri, 05 Mar 2010 06:44:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=krAZeXepmtdjufW+0baND+WOIKiQMHbcvbRvJJgzn8s=; b=AYsYWPF9VLS63GzFRNzvD/WW89yAnSoizbeHhTJAzInTRBoJVflOykDPtgGEhCMDMS chjBqbjXOQLeBQVSPOJ4HxxxJeDpdguG7RpRsCANAGHpqT4mOHLgLywtRD4i3PlVDuLl AU6c3DysnGFLbplm+enxJ39bRzxDLPFCVlGIo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=NF/5MOPzlFtW8AtZO4Aozi0jkHSKev0TIRw2ILOGqdoQvzIbcLUt6ehj0QAX54u+rQ y9bIwKIkTsKIpl3+WsI31fXLCqOHLGOWvHgy5XzohgQzCs0rmlq4A9yAiTZeaERo/+3y LogBcddDeeC+1yQu/GYmmR/8wbfI/iITZviMA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.59.3 with SMTP id h3mr687817wfa.93.1267800287662; Fri, 05 Mar 2010 06:44:47 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <702226df1003050637s4aa32cd2k662f922fb648023e@mail.gmail.com> References: <395141.17119.qm@web88001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <925d17561003040928r5d2d85efma8db985509ffbadf@mail.gmail.com> <369994.71546.qm@web50404.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <925d17561003041351u11a65d8fpadc799cd405f8291@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9301003041359u2e158b13gac898593a8311c1d@mail.gmail.com> <925d17561003041414w6122f0c4y757f43f70a9bbcd5@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9301003041442r613e933g80234426ff0d4cb5@mail.gmail.com> <249d5b951003041916n67235566jf7415ce90e4dc757@mail.gmail.com> <925d17561003050434m7010e535rca50dd0e79eb79a6@mail.gmail.com> <702226df1003050637s4aa32cd2k662f922fb648023e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 09:44:47 -0500 Message-ID: <96f789a61003050644r54c7e84bp696cb2b785f67572@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: Fw: bridi tail negation From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 17094 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: mturniansky@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 9:37 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > I would guess that the reason for the {se ... fa} bit was partly to > emphasize the experience and partly to keep from having to figure out how to > terminate {lonu zutse ne'i le ricyzda gi'enai tavla} > ?? It just terminates with a single kei (which, if it was moved to the front, wouldn't even be needed if cu was there.) --gy > 2010/3/5 Jorge Llambías >> >> On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 12:16 AM, MorphemeAddict wrote: >> > I once stated that the emphasis of the arguments changes when SE is >> > used, >> > but was told that SE does not cause such change in emphasis. It would be >> > handy if it did. >> >> I think bringing an argument to the front does make it more topical. >> But in this case, it was not really brought to the front, or it was >> brought to the front only to be pushed back again with "fa": >> >>   zanfri ko'a  ->  se zanfri fa ko'a >> >> So the difference in this case is not really about ko'a, but about >> where the elided zo'e is: >> >>   (zo'e) zanfri ko'a  -> se zanfri fa ko'a (zo'e) >> >> In the second form the experiencer is perhaps even more irrelevant >> than in the first form. >> >> mu'o mi'e xorxes >> >> >> To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org >> with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if >> you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. >> > > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.