From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Mar 05 08:42:01 2010 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 05 Mar 2010 08:42:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NnabA-0000w0-8z for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Fri, 05 Mar 2010 08:42:00 -0800 Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([75.180.132.123]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Nnab2-0000up-7H for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 05 Mar 2010 08:41:57 -0800 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=GwrtPNOcnZUA:10 a=pFCNjPG7Bv1sjClcd-sA:9 a=eLAYHQYE-ecnNdpiqfPpc-7fk4AA:4 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 71.71.198.100 Received: from [71.71.198.100] ([71.71.198.100:55073] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.39 r()) with ESMTP id 4E/61-22814-844319B4; Fri, 05 Mar 2010 16:41:44 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 621EC810 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 2010 11:41:43 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: non-metric unit place exception Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 11:41:38 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <702226df1003050817u882f2e2r68a8f15c67af8cb3@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <702226df1003050817u882f2e2r68a8f15c67af8cb3@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <201003051141.40805.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-archive-position: 17099 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@phma.optus.nu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Friday 05 March 2010 11:17:14 Jonathan Jones wrote: > From going through the gismu, I've come across something of interest > regarding the non-metric gismu, that being, all of them have the same basic > place structure save one: > > bunda x1 is x2 non-metric weight units in standard x3 with subunits x4 > dekpu x1 is x2 non-metric volume units in standard x3 with subunits x4 > gutci x1 is x2 non-metric short distance units in standard x3 with subunits > x4 > kramu x1 is x2 non-metric area units in standard x3 with subunits x4 > minli x1 is x2 non-metric long distance units with subunits x3 in standard > x4 > > {minli} is {ve te ve} to the other four. > > I'm not sure if this has been noticed before or not, but I think it would a > good idea to put it to the BPFK to officially switch the x3 and x4 of > {minli} to match with the other non-metric measurement gismu. Sounds good to me. Another irregularity in the measurement words is that {mitre} has a place for the direction, which neither {minli} nor {gutci} nor any of the other gismu has. I think it should be dropped in favor of either a prepositional place or a seltau. Whether a physical quantity has a direction is not easy to predict from its dimensions; e.g. torque has direction, but energy does not, though they are both measured in newton-meters (called joules for energy). How are the subunits places supposed to be used? Pierre -- li ze te'a ci vu'u ci bi'e te'a mu du li ci su'i ze te'a mu bi'e vu'u ci To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.