From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sun Mar 07 00:54:43 2010 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 07 Mar 2010 00:54:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NoCG2-0008LT-K0 for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sun, 07 Mar 2010 00:54:42 -0800 Received: from outbound-mail.dca.untd.com ([64.136.47.15]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NoCFu-0008KW-L2 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 07 Mar 2010 00:54:40 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=juno.com; s=alpha; t=1267952068; bh=47DEQpj8HBSa+/TImW+5JCeuQeRkm5NMpJWZG3hSuFU=; l=0; h=From:Date:To:Subject:Message-Id:Content-Type; b=ZMiv2OqeLR9quBvgKKbp0bXb6lLKf4l0JAm33L9gxVdfJbjGiX0b3zhMb5Pt0KINv VTb/ah50EBYj1Q7Lk03gL0JQtFZj8QzLajNau2CTPQ0lIWsD18thv/F0iOcXum/3G5 5R+pRFcNgR79eOQi6ATL7NHB0gQF60mGIY5b+jms= X-UOL-TAGLINE: true Received: from outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com (webmail02.dca.untd.com [10.171.12.142]) by smtpout06.dca.untd.com with SMTP id AABF3G4NXAUSD5B2 for (sender ); Sun, 7 Mar 2010 00:53:41 -0800 (PST) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: ynfJG4AWjrNUTte+ZzK1n3/YIc9L8R3VGs/WMs+kHNO1/dM+LFOuKQ== Received: (from moorkids@juno.com) by webmail02.dca.untd.com (jqueuemail) id P8ELAK8K; Sun, 07 Mar 2010 00:52:47 PST Received: from [98.225.33.20] by webmail02.dca.untd.com with HTTP: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 08:52:34 GMT X-Originating-IP: [98.225.33.20] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "moorkids@juno.com" Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 08:52:34 GMT To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: More espeak words, please. X-Mailer: Webmail Version 6.1_P2 Message-Id: <20100307.005234.11213.1@webmail02.dca.untd.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--__JWM__J2738.470eS.739bM" X-UNTD-BodySize: 17340 X-ContentStamp: 2:2:47771203 X-MAIL-INFO:54411db81d99a549e15881e158e88cd55821e9e521e5454555013c9d010c45f52c00bd29958d4901bd35592c812c4c4c85 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.142|webmail02.dca.untd.com|outbound-bu1.dca.untd.com|moorkids@juno.com X-archive-position: 17103 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: moorkids@juno.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list ----__JWM__J2738.470eS.739bM Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 If you have a list of just gismu you could separate them into different = word documents by first letter. Do a word count for each letter group a= nd compare it with a word count of just that letter gismu from a complet= e list (like the one here: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Index:Lojban/gi= smu ). Then narrow down which gismu is missing alphabetically. (Theirs= probably a much faster way to do this but I don't know it) From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: More espeak words, please. 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From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6da7ae543c85a048128fc83 X-archive-position: 17102 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: eyeonus@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list X-UNTD-BodySize: 11787 X-UNTD-SPF: None X-UNTD-DKIM: FAIL X-ContentStamp: 14:7:607386359 X-MAIL-INFO: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 ca9763cb7f3a6a930f7e339ab78a6abf0b6a4fa3c7f38eae9f9eeec727ce9b8efeb30e73caae2f0a2f2f431b2f028a0a022f2be36743431f2e1f0e83ba6387efe35e1bd73eef07ef8383be6bbe7e97df1edf9fdafa2afa4a2fdbfadbaaaacae7b793fa9e333fda178aca1e73a3cba3ce375f8e5f4f4f27fb57d78e X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 69.17.117.6|mail4.sea5.speakeasy.net|mail4.sea5.speakeasy.net|lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-UNTD-UBE:-1 --0016e6da7ae543c85a048128fc83 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 First, I want to thank Dag and Robin for their help in getting the audio. Second, I went through the espeak.zip and took out all the cmavo, and discovered that it's missing 6 gismu. I have no idea which 6, but 6 are missing. Because of this, and because it'd be nice to have all the aduio files in the same .zip, I extracted the complete list of the items for the Smart.fm lesson into a text file. The file is located here: http://www.lojban.org/tiki/smart.fm+entry+list The direct link to the file is: http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-download_wiki_attachment.php?attId=682&page=smart.fm%20entry%20list&download=y If Dag or someone could do this one more time, with that list, we won't have to worry about which 6 gismu are missing. Thank you in advance. On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 7:33 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 11:07 PM, Dag Odenhall wrote: > >> How is "vary-ers" more natural than "variable", > > > It's not. It's merely "varier" spelled wrong with a '-' in it. However, it > does, IMO, have the advantage of less confusingly defining {lo cenba} than > 'variable', and both are less 'natural' than 'something varying'. > > >> and how is "cenba1;" >> more difficult to remove than "any/some...(s)"? Easier, if anything. >> >> Because *all* the jbofi'e phrases have 'any/some' and '(s)', whereas only > one of the oblique keywords has "cenba1". To remove 'any/some' and '(s)' is > two instances of find/replace with '', to remove '[gismu][#];' is at least > one per gismu, plus one each for '1;', '2;', '3;', '4;', and '5;'. > > >> On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 12:19 AM, Jonathan Jones >> wrote: >> > No need. I've already got the latter for all the sumti. >> > >> > What's needed is to take that and make them into phrases as per my >> > previous example two of my posts ago. >> > >> > On 3/4/10, Robin Lee Powell wrote: >> >> On Thu, Mar 04, 2010 at 09:50:02AM -0700, Jonathan Jones wrote: >> >>> Not really, and the list is also a lot more difficult to edit: >> >>> >> >>> From oblique keywords: >> >>> bakri1;chalk >> >>> bakri2;chalk source >> >>> bakri3;chalk form >> >>> cenba1;variable; vary >> >>> cenba2;varying property >> >>> cenba3;variance; varying amount >> >>> cenba4;variance conditions >> >>> dukse1;excess >> >>> dukse2;in excess >> >>> dukse3;excess standard >> >>> From jbofi'e, with 'any/some', '(' and ')' auto-removed: >> >>> chalks >> >>> chalk sources >> >>> chalk forms >> >> >> >> That's about 2 seconds of scripting for me, to turn the former into >> >> the latter, so if you want that let me know. >> >> >> >> -Robin >> >> >> >> -- >> >> They say: "The first AIs will be built by the military as weapons." >> >> And I'm thinking: "Does it even occur to you to try for something >> >> other than the default outcome?" See http://shrunklink.com/cdiz >> >> http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ >> >> >> >> >> >> To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to >> lojban-list-request@lojban.org >> >> with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or >> if >> >> you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > -- >> > mu'o mi'e .aionys. >> > >> > .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu >> > >> > >> > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to >> lojban-list-request@lojban.org >> > with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or >> if >> > you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. >> > >> > >> >> >> To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to >> lojban-list-request@lojban.org >> with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if >> you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. >> >> > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu > > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu --0016e6da7ae543c85a048128fc83 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
First, I want to thank Dag and Robin for their help in getting the aud= io.
=A0
Second, I went through the espeak.zip and took out all the cmavo, and = discovered that it's missing 6 gismu. I have no idea which 6, but 6 are= missing.
=A0
Because of this, and because it'd be nice to have all the aduio fi= les in the same .zip, I extracted the complete list of the items for the Sm= art.fm lesson into a text file.
=A0
=A0
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If Dag or someone could do this one more time, with that list, we won&= #39;t have to worry about which 6 gismu are missing.
=A0
Thank you in advance.

On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 7:33 AM, Jonathan Jones <= span dir=3D"ltr"><eyeonus@gmail.com= > wrote:
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 11:07 PM, Dag Odenhall <dag.odenhall@gmai= l.com> wrote:
How is "vary-ers" more= natural than "variable",

It's not. It's merely "varier" spelled wrong with a = '-' in it. However, it does, IMO, have the advantage of less confus= ingly defining {lo cenba} than 'variable', and both are less 'n= atural' than 'something varying'.
=A0
and how is "cenba1;"more difficult to remove than "any/some...(s)"? Easier, if anyt= hing.

Because=A0all=A0the jbofi'e phrases have 'any/some'= and '(s)', whereas only one of the oblique keywords has "cenb= a1". To remove 'any/some' and '(s)' is two instances o= f find/replace with '', to remove '[gismu][#];' is at least= one per gismu, plus one each for '1;', '2;', '3;',= '4;', and '5;'.
=A0
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 12:19 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
&g= t; No need. I've already got the latter for all the sumti.
>
> What's needed is to take that and make them into phrases as per my=
> previous example two of my posts ago.
>
> On 3/4/10, R= obin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
>> On Thu, Mar 04, 2010 at 09:50:02AM -0700, Jonathan Jones wrote:>>> =A0 =A0Not really, and the list is also a lot more difficult = to edit:
>>>
>>> =A0 =A0From oblique keywords:
&= gt;>> =A0 =A0bakri1;chalk
>>> =A0 =A0bakri2;chalk source
>>> =A0 =A0bakri3;chalk= form
>>> =A0 =A0cenba1;variable; vary
>>> =A0 =A0c= enba2;varying property
>>> =A0 =A0cenba3;variance; varying amou= nt
>>> =A0 =A0cenba4;variance conditions
>>> =A0 =A0dukse1;excess
>>> =A0 =A0dukse2;in excess>>> =A0 =A0dukse3;excess standard
>>> =A0 =A0From jb= ofi'e, with 'any/some', '(' and ')' auto-remove= d:
>>> =A0 =A0chalks
>>> =A0 =A0chalk sources
>>> =A0 =A0chalk forms
>= ;>
>> That's about 2 seconds of scripting for me, to turn t= he former into
>> the latter, so if you want that let me know.
= >>
>> -Robin
>>
>> --
>> They say: =A0"T= he first AIs will be built by the military as weapons."
>> An= d I'm =A0thinking: =A0"Does it even occur to you to try for someth= ing
>> other =A0than =A0the default =A0outcome?" =A0See http://shrunklink.com/cdiz=
>> http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/
>>
>>
>> To unsubscribe from this list, send mail t= o lojba= n-list-request@lojban.org
>> with the subject unsubscribe, or = go to http://www.= lojban.org/lsg2/, or if
>> you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.
>>= ;
>>
>
>
> --
> mu'o mi'e .aionys.=
>
> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>
&g= t;
> To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.= org
> with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if
> y= ou're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.
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