From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sun Mar 07 11:10:27 2010 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 07 Mar 2010 11:10:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NoLrt-0008HG-Px for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sun, 07 Mar 2010 11:10:26 -0800 Received: from mail-bw0-f215.google.com ([209.85.218.215]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NoLrh-0008DO-CI for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 07 Mar 2010 11:10:20 -0800 Received: by bwz7 with SMTP id 7so3849436bwz.4 for ; Sun, 07 Mar 2010 11:10:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=a+4Wrt7sEdM1aguz909euvHUlOtugmeEO54Q+RPmeto=; b=Q0cG0RPcu6kjocQUNt/g72i6TfdN4jI59XBreRpgowV2WG/meuxeZyFsDs/HMrvkRQ ZnVwFbg23ZuH92w0IgAXc8vuBrY944MQnXn8UADV/JNFXTR652gwnIwXkTu8DzgPwUlZ qQjf9yzDAMvc/Y+eiE/GfeBZm4MzU3WtJcc3s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=LPT5vyFUi7FfJBdjbjfi8oVtRFzy9UkI7ziDm7/gAkH2PaAyfc7f9Zr9lx5mSdL0E6 KwTTVRVtt5VHeG2dS1vI3GP8aqRiooDJ31q2/1AJE1IpAyr3CGnI08u6bX+strWUcTWt Rb60XhJxzopqVjhRENMW4FgmUySUszWasKba4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.38.77 with SMTP id a13mr3712898bke.26.1267989006690; Sun, 07 Mar 2010 11:10:06 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4de8c3931003071055y5142a443nfa9ea6b0ce478dc9@mail.gmail.com> References: <4de8c3931003071055y5142a443nfa9ea6b0ce478dc9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 16:10:06 -0300 Message-ID: <925d17561003071110r4e706f69rdf9a34a1c22504c0@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: transitive & intransitive From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 17136 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 3:55 PM, tijlan wrote: > The gimste says about "sance": > >  [x2 sounds (intransitive verb)] > > Since an intransitive verb has by definition only one core argument, > this usage of "sance" would have to preclude the syntactic (not > semantic) existence of "sance"s other argument, x1. It means: "x2 sounds (the intransitive use of the English verb "to sound"), as in "the bell sounds", rather than the transitive use in "John sounds the bell". > So, what form of bridi is the abvoe gimste note on "sance" assuming to > be intransitive? It's a note about the English verb "to sound", not about the Lojban "sance". mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.