From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Mar 08 08:18:19 2010 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 08 Mar 2010 08:18:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Nofet-00089Z-2J for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 08 Mar 2010 08:18:19 -0800 Received: from mail-ww0-f53.google.com ([74.125.82.53]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Nofei-000886-OA for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 08 Mar 2010 08:18:15 -0800 Received: by wwi18 with SMTP id 18so3565538wwi.40 for ; Mon, 08 Mar 2010 08:18:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=pmf0Ba6TI3a87q/5JVGdCxDNnsudYopgHzuUvqlxEOo=; b=c7Ueg/w3TjSFH3S6SvpaVDBiuH7VffYzdENEWZEv+TrSQUm0BgbYegWR8Ixul33vQt feWRFx7SMriiK0YuIkU1U0KFX3zKa10wtN2zipkE9mwu14VeNt/TBsGaZMZfXni36VTm +uU4XCYShDB/lXhDE5KdZjnxcD3qerT+IbRRo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=XW9q0jqIZLOerBm+Lo5JRhOmGym+kPac3nnGY5aZ3lkicmXoogNSHMTPXetekjw6x1 UbgF9IdaQthQiaKv27o4Vx6JDFDulkfQrD3bzH7oG4naqQJOOZLT7mp/2Gz3pvIWo/y1 2C8hoRQYJXVsBkWoOkA47+zSMj4QgIxBjPXGU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.85.132 with SMTP id u4mr2859320wee.191.1268065081889; Mon, 08 Mar 2010 08:18:01 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20100308015605.GQ19073@digitalkingdom.org> References: <702226df1003070834y45826f8fj7e2e424319b93a7f@mail.gmail.com> <20100307174142.GI19073@digitalkingdom.org> <702226df1003071000r629f941bsf49ddaf5aec5a01d@mail.gmail.com> <702226df1003071025u5813cff0p3a7e68d293dc40cb@mail.gmail.com> <20100307183748.GK19073@digitalkingdom.org> <702226df1003071203h5180399bvc8df5374c8b128c@mail.gmail.com> <20100307205027.GN19073@digitalkingdom.org> <702226df1003071356ia724ef3s3e213f480a3b6917@mail.gmail.com> <20100308015232.GP19073@digitalkingdom.org> <20100308015605.GQ19073@digitalkingdom.org> Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 09:17:59 -0700 Message-ID: <702226df1003080817ia1fbb96y5a9a94720bbc89a1@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: mass-uploading? From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d56698c2165a04814c68aa X-archive-position: 17144 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: eyeonus@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --0016e6d56698c2165a04814c68aa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I had to convert it into a Google doc to edit it, due to limitations with the public computer I'm using. (Not having your own computer sucks, and I will be VERY happy when I get mine back.) So far, I've gotten to {lo se fraso}, and your automatic generation leaves = a lot to be desired. That is at least partly my fault. The gismu sumti all need to have the keyword in their definitions. This way learners will be able to identify which gismu it is a sumti of, which I believe should make the gismu sumti easier to memorize, and to prevent technically correct wrong answers. For instance: fepni x1 is measured in money subunits as quantity x2 in monetary system x3 The keyword (or phrase, in this case,) is "money subunits". So all the gism= u sumti need to have that. Your automatic generation produced: lo fepni a thing measured in money subunits lo se fepni a quantity of money subunits lo te fepni a monetary system {lo te fepni} should be changed to "a monetary system with money subunits" This is especially important in cases such as the following: gapru x1 is directly above x2 in reference frame x3 lo gapru something above lo se gapru something beneath lo te gapru a reference frame of aboveness cnita x1 is directly beneath or below x2 in reference frame x3 lo cnita something beneath lo se cnita something above lo te cnita a reference frame of beneathness {lo gapru} =3D {lo se cnita}, {lo se gapru} =3D {lo cnita} If Smart.fm quizzes on {lo gapru}, for instance, and displays the correct answer for {lo se cnita}, a learners answering with that will be told the answer is incorrect, even though, technically, it's not. In this case, {lo se gapru} can be changed to "something to which something is above", and {lo se cnita} to "something to which something is beneath". (The "to which" bit isn't absolutely necessary, but "something something ...." sounds odd to me. There may be a better way of phrasing it than I've put here, but I can't think of it.) Secondly, many of the definitions are in the form "a thing ...." or "a ... thing". I would prefer those to be "something ....". "a thing ...." is easily corrected with a simple find/replace and I've already done that with the document. On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 6:56 PM, Robin Lee Powell < rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: > Erm. Sorry, sorting it means that you have no easy way to figure > out which stuff I added. My bad. > > http://teddyb.org/~rlpowell/public_media/simplified_gismu.tsv > > I'll re-sort it when I upload. > > This used the google doc as a starting point and filled in anything > that was blank. > > -Robin > > On Sun, Mar 07, 2010 at 05:52:32PM -0800, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > http://teddyb.org/~rlpowell/public_media/simplified_gismu_sorted.tsv > > > > That's sorted by frequency of usage, so you don't spend a bunch of > > time learning random crap. > > > > Now, what about the cmavo? > > > > -Robin > > > > On Sun, Mar 07, 2010 at 02:56:46PM -0700, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > > Sounds good to me. > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 1:50 PM, Robin Lee Powell > > > <[1]rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: > > > > > > OK, but it sounded like you'd have to manually copy and paste > > > whatever I do, which is a horrible waste of effort. > > > > > > Since it's all just going to drive my script anyways, I think it > > > would be better if you just edit what I come up with directly, a= nd > > > send it back. > > > -Robin > > > On Sun, Mar 07, 2010 at 01:03:35PM -0700, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > > > Honestly, I'd much rather edit the items BEFORE they are > uploaded > > > > to Smart.fm, because that would be easier and much less time > > > > consuming. > > > > > > > > I doubt you've ever tried to edit an item on Smart.fm, so take > my > > > > word for it that it is at least five times as difficult to edi= t > an > > > > item after being uploaded than it is to double-check the items > in > > > > a document beforehand- which as far as I'm concerned is the ma= in > > > > reason for the Google doc. > > > > > > > > If you can give me the gismu sumti, and some time to double > check > > > > the list so that we won't need to worry about editing the item= s > > > > after the upload, I can fix up the Google doc to be exactly wh= at > > > > your script needs, with all the needed information and > formatting. > > > > > > > > On 3/7/10, Robin Lee Powell <[2]rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> > wrote: > > > > > That would be my site, and those would be my scripts, and th= e > sound > > > > > uploads via API are *still* broken: > > > > > [3]http://developer.smart.fm/forum/read/67134 > > > > > > > > > > There's a workaround, though; give me a day or so and I'll > have a > > > > > complete upload done with good-enough text, which y'all can > then > > > > > edit to your heart's content (since I'm told people can be > allowed > > > > > to edit each other's items now). > > > > > > > > > > Anybody who wants to edit the results should send me their > > > [4]smart.fm > > > > > userid. > > > > > > > > > > -Robin > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 07, 2010 at 11:25:43AM -0700, Jonathan Jones > wrote: > > > > >> Okay, a little Google search and I found the following > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > site:=EF=BF=BD[1][5] > http://teddyb.org/rlp/tiki-index.php?page=3DMass+Upload+To+Smart.FM, > > > > >> which has two Ruby scripts specifically for mass uploadi= ng > > > items. > > > > >> > > > > >> On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Jonathan Jones > > > <[2][6]eyeonus@gmail.com> > > > > >> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> Okay, but what about uploading the items themselves? A= s > far as > > > I know > > > > >> they haven't even done that bit yet. > > > > >> > > > > >> On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Robin Lee Powell > > > > >> <[3][7]rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> On Sun, Mar 07, 2010 at 05:38:37PM +0100, Timo > Paulssen > > > wrote: > > > > >> > [4][8]smart.fm already offers an interface that a > script > > > can access, > > > > >> the > > > > >> > website itself. With the right tools, it should be > > > possible to > > > > >> > mass-upload the valsi definitions as well as the > sounds > > > without > > > > >> > the [5][9]smart.fm folks having to expose any othe= r > kind > > > of API to > > > > >> us. > > > > >> I > > > > >> > dunno if rlp knows how to best do that, though. > > > > >> > > > > >> The sound uploads via API are broken: > > > > >> [6][10]http://developer.smart.fm/forum/read/67134 > > > > >> > > > > >> I suppose I could use the HTTP based upload instead = of > the > > > > >> multipart > > > > >> upload; just makes the script less useful to other > people. > > > > >> > > > > >> -Robin > > > > >> > > > > >> -- > > > > >> They say: =EF=BF=BD"The first AIs will be built by t= he > military as > > > > >> weapons." > > > > >> And I'm =EF=BF=BDthinking: =EF=BF=BD"Does it even oc= cur to you to try > for > > > something > > > > >> other =EF=BF=BDthan =EF=BF=BDthe default =EF=BF=BDou= tcome?" =EF=BF=BDSee > > > > >> [7][11]http://shrunklink.com/cdiz > > > > >> [8][12]http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** > > > > >> [9][13]http://www.lojban.org/ > > > > >> > > > > >> To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to > > > > >> [10][14]lojban-list-request@lojban.org > > > > >> with the subject unsubscribe, or go to > > > > >> [11][15]http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if > > > > >> you're really stuck, send mail to > > > [12][16]secretary@lojban.org for > > > > >> help. > > > > >> > > > > >> -- > > > > >> mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > > > >> > > > > >> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu > > > > >> > > > > >> -- > > > > >> mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > > > >> > > > > >> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu > > > > >> > > > > >> References > > > > >> > > > > >> Visible links > > > > >> 1. > > > [17] > http://teddyb.org/rlp/tiki-index.php?page=3DMass+Upload+To+Smart.FM > > > > >> 2. mailto:[18]eyeonus@gmail.com > > > > >> 3. mailto:[19]rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org > > > > >> 4. [20]http://smart.fm/ > > > > >> 5. [21]http://smart.fm/ > > > > >> 6. [22]http://developer.smart.fm/forum/read/67134 > > > > >> 7. [23]http://shrunklink.com/cdiz > > > > >> 8. [24]http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ > > > > >> 9. [25]http://www.lojban.org/ > > > > >> 10. mailto:[26]lojban-list-request@lojban.org > > > > >> 11. [27]http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/ > > > > >> 12. mailto:[28]secretary@lojban.org > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > They say: "The first AIs will be built by the military as > weapons." > > > > > And I'm thinking: "Does it even occur to you to try for > something > > > > > other than the default outcome?" See > > > [29]http://shrunklink.com/cdiz > > > > > [30]http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** > > > [31]http://www.lojban.org/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to > > > [32]lojban-list-request@lojban.org > > > > > with the subject unsubscribe, or go to > > > [33]http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if > > > > > you're really stuck, send mail to [34]secretary@lojban.orgfo= r help. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > > > > > > > .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu > > > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to > > > [35]lojban-list-request@lojban.org > > > > with the subject unsubscribe, or go to > > > [36]http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if > > > > you're really stuck, send mail to [37]secretary@lojban.org for > help. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > They say: "The first AIs will be built by the military as > weapons." > > > And I'm thinking: "Does it even occur to you to try for > something > > > other than the default outcome?" See [38] > http://shrunklink.com/cdiz > > > [39]http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** > > > [40]http://www.lojban.org/ > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to > > > [41]lojban-list-request@lojban.org > > > with the subject unsubscribe, or go to [42] > http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, > > > or if > > > you're really stuck, send mail to [43]secretary@lojban.org for > help. > > > > > > -- > > > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > > > > > .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu > > > > > > References > > > > > > Visible links > > > 1. mailto:rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org > > > 2. mailto:rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org > > > 3. http://developer.smart.fm/forum/read/67134 > > > 4. http://smart.fm/ > > > 5. > http://teddyb.org/rlp/tiki-index.php?page=3DMass+Upload+To+Smart.FM > > > 6. mailto:eyeonus@gmail.com > > > 7. mailto:rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org > > > 8. http://smart.fm/ > > > 9. http://smart.fm/ > > > 10. http://developer.smart.fm/forum/read/67134 > > > 11. http://shrunklink.com/cdiz > > > 12. http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ > > > 13. http://www.lojban.org/ > > > 14. mailto:lojban-list-request@lojban.org > > > 15. http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/ > > > 16. mailto:secretary@lojban.org > > > 17. > http://teddyb.org/rlp/tiki-index.php?page=3DMass+Upload+To+Smart.FM > > > 18. mailto:eyeonus@gmail.com > > > 19. mailto:rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org > > > 20. http://smart.fm/ > > > 21. http://smart.fm/ > > > 22. http://developer.smart.fm/forum/read/67134 > > > 23. http://shrunklink.com/cdiz > > > 24. http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ > > > 25. http://www.lojban.org/ > > > 26. mailto:lojban-list-request@lojban.org > > > 27. http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/ > > > 28. mailto:secretary@lojban.org > > > 29. http://shrunklink.com/cdiz > > > 30. http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ > > > 31. http://www.lojban.org/ > > > 32. mailto:lojban-list-request@lojban.org > > > 33. http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/ > > > 34. mailto:secretary@lojban.org > > > 35. mailto:lojban-list-request@lojban.org > > > 36. http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/ > > > 37. mailto:secretary@lojban.org > > > 38. http://shrunklink.com/cdiz > > > 39. http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ > > > 40. http://www.lojban.org/ > > > 41. mailto:lojban-list-request@lojban.org > > > 42. http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/ > > > 43. mailto:secretary@lojban.org > > > > -- > > They say: "The first AIs will be built by the military as weapons." > > And I'm thinking: "Does it even occur to you to try for something > > other than the default outcome?" See http://shrunklink.com/cdiz > > http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to > lojban-list-request@lojban.org > > with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or > if > > you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. > > > > -- > They say: "The first AIs will be built by the military as weapons." > And I'm thinking: "Does it even occur to you to try for something > other than the default outcome?" See http://shrunklink.com/cdiz > http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.or= g > with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if > you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. > > --=20 mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu --0016e6d56698c2165a04814c68aa Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I had to convert it into a Google doc to edit it, due to limitations with t= he public computer I'm using. (Not having your own computer sucks, and = I will be VERY happy when I get mine back.)

So far, I've go= tten to {lo se fraso}, and your automatic generation leaves a lot to be des= ired. That is at least partly my fault.

The gismu sumti all need to have the keyword in their d= efinitions. This way learners will be able to identify which gismu it is a = sumti of, which I believe should make the gismu sumti easier to memorize, a= nd to prevent technically correct wrong answers. For instance:

fepni x1 is measured in money subunits as quantity x2 in mone= tary system x3

The keyword (or phrase, in this cas= e,) is "money subunits". So all the gismu sumti need to have that= .
Your automatic generation produced:

lo fepni<= span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> a thing mea= sured in money subunits
lo se fepni a quantity of money subunits
lo te fepni <= /span>a monetary system

{lo te fepni} should be ch= anged to "a monetary system with money subunits"

This is especially important in cases such as the following:

gapru x1 is directly above x2 in reference frame x3
lo = gapru somet= hing above
lo se gapru <= /span>something beneath
lo te gapru a reference frame of aboveness

cnita x1 is directly beneath or below x2 in reference frame x3
lo cnita something beneath
lo se cnita <= /span>something above
lo te cnita a reference frame of beneathness

{lo gapru} =3D {lo se cnita}, {lo se gapru} =3D {lo = cnita}

If Smart.fm quizzes on {lo gapru}, for inst= ance, and displays the correct answer for {lo se cnita}, a learners answeri= ng with that will be told the answer is incorrect, even though, technically= , it's not.

In this case, {lo se gapru} can be changed to "som= ething to which something is above", and {lo se cnita} to "someth= ing to which something is beneath". (The "to which" bit isn&= #39;t absolutely necessary, but "something something ...." sounds= odd to me. There may be a better way of phrasing it than I've put here= , but I can't think of it.)

Secondly, many of the definitions are in the form "= ;a thing ...." or "a ... thing". I would prefer those to be = "something ....". "a thing ...." is easily corrected wi= th a simple find/replace and I've already done that with the document.<= br>

On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 6:56 PM, R= obin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
Erm. =C2=A0Sorry, sorting it means that you have no easy way to figure
out which stuff I added. =C2=A0My bad.

http://teddyb.org/~rlpowell/public_media/simplified_gismu.= tsv

I'll re-sort it when I upload.

This used the google doc as a starting point and filled in anything
that was blank.

-Robin

On Sun, Mar 07, 2010 at 05:52:32PM -0800, Robin Lee Powell wrote:
> http://teddyb.org/~rlpowell/public_media/simpl= ified_gismu_sorted.tsv
>
> That's sorted by frequency of usage, so you don't spend a bunc= h of
> time learning random crap.
>
> Now, what about the cmavo?
>
> -Robin
>
> On Sun, Mar 07, 2010 at 02:56:46PM -0700, Jonathan Jones wrote:
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0Sounds good to me.
> >
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 1:50 PM, Robin Lee Powell
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0<[1]rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
> >
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0OK, but it sounded like you'd have to man= ually copy and paste
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0whatever I do, which is a horrible waste of e= ffort.
> >
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Since it's all just going to drive my scr= ipt anyways, I think it
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0would be better if you just edit what I come = up with directly, and
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0send it back.
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0-Robin
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0On Sun, Mar 07, 2010 at 01:03:35PM -0700, Jon= athan Jones wrote:
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Honestly, I'd much rather edit the i= tems BEFORE they are uploaded
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> to Smart.fm, because that would be easie= r and much less time
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> consuming.
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> I doubt you've ever tried to edit an= item on Smart.fm, so take my
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> word for it that it is at least five tim= es as difficult to edit an
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> item after being uploaded than it is to = double-check the items in
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> a document beforehand- which as far as I= 'm concerned is the main
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> reason for the Google doc.
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> If you can give me the gismu sumti, and = some time to double check
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> the list so that we won't need to wo= rry about editing the items
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> after the upload, I can fix up the Googl= e doc to be exactly what
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> your script needs, with all the needed i= nformation and formatting.
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> On 3/7/10, Robin Lee Powell <[2]rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org&g= t; wrote:
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > That would be my site, and those wo= uld be my scripts, and the sound
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > uploads via API are *still* broken:=
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > [3]http://developer.smart.fm/forum/re= ad/67134
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > There's a workaround, though; g= ive me a day or so and I'll have a
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > complete upload done with good-enou= gh text, which y'all can then
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > edit to your heart's content (s= ince I'm told people can be allowed
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > to edit each other's items now)= .
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > Anybody who wants to edit the resul= ts should send me their
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0[4]smart.fm
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > userid.
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > -Robin
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > On Sun, Mar 07, 2010 at 11:25:43AM = -0700, Jonathan Jones wrote:
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0Okay, a little Goo= gle search and I found the following
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0site:=EF=BF=BD[1][5]ht= tp://teddyb.org/rlp/tiki-index.php?page=3DMass+Upload+To+Smart.FM,
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0which has two Ruby= scripts specifically for mass uploading
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0items.
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0On Sun, Mar 7, 201= 0 at 11:00 AM, Jonathan Jones
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<[2][6]eyeonus@gmail.com>
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0wrote:
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Okay, but w= hat about uploading the items themselves? As far as
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I know
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0they haven&= #39;t even done that bit yet.
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0On Sun, Mar= 7, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Robin Lee Powell
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<[3][7]<= a href=3D"mailto:rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org">rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0On S= un, Mar 07, 2010 at 05:38:37PM +0100, Timo Paulssen
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0wrote:
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>= [4][8]smart.fm already o= ffers an interface that a script
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0can access,
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0the<= br> > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>= website itself. With the right tools, it should be
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0possible to
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>= mass-upload the valsi definitions as well as the sounds
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0without
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>= the [5][9]smart.fm folks= having to expose any other kind
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0of API to
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> us.
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>= dunno if rlp knows how to best do that, though.
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0The = sound uploads via API are broken:
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0[6][= 10]http://developer.smart.fm/forum/read/67134
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I su= ppose I could use the HTTP based upload instead of the
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> multipart
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0uplo= ad; just makes the script less useful to other people.
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0-Rob= in
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0-- > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0They= say: =EF=BF=BD"The first AIs will be built by the military as
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> weapons."
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0And = I'm =EF=BF=BDthinking: =EF=BF=BD"Does it even occur to you to try = for
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0something
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0othe= r =EF=BF=BDthan =EF=BF=BDthe default =EF=BF=BDoutcome?" =EF=BF=BDSee > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> [7][11]http://shrunklink.com/cdiz
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0[8][= 12]h= ttp://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ ***
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0[9][= 13]http://www.lojban.o= rg/
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>
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> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0you&= #39;re really stuck, send mail to
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0[12][16]secretary@lojban.org for
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> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0--
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0mu'o mi= 'e .aionys.
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0.i.a'o.= e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0--
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0mu'o mi'e = .aionys.
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0.i.a'o.e'e= ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> References
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0Visible links
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A01.
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0[17]http://teddyb.org/= rlp/tiki-index.php?page=3DMass+Upload+To+Smart.FM
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A02. mailto:[18]eyeonus@gmail.com
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A03. mailto:[19]rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org<= br> > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A04. [20]http://smart.fm/
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A05. [21]http://smart.fm/
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A06. [22]http://develo= per.smart.fm/forum/read/67134
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A07. [23]http://shrunklink.com/cdiz
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A08. [24]http://www.digi= talkingdom.org/~rlpowell/
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A09. [25]http://www.lojban.org/
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 10. mailto:[26]lojban-list-request@lojban.org
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 11. [27]http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/ > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 12. mailto:[28]secretary@lojban.org
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > --
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > They say: =C2=A0"The first AIs= will be built by the military as weapons."
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > And I'm =C2=A0thinking: =C2=A0&= quot;Does it even occur to you to try for something
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > other =C2=A0than =C2=A0the default = =C2=A0outcome?" =C2=A0See
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0[29]http://shrunklink.com/cdiz
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > [30]http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpo= well/ ***
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0[31]http://www.lojban.org/
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >
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> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0[33]http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > you're really stuck, send mail = to [34]secretary@lojban.org for= help.
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> --
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe = denpa bu
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
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> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> >
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0--
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0They say: =C2=A0"The first AIs will be b= uilt by the military as weapons."
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0And I'm =C2=A0thinking: =C2=A0"Does = it even occur to you to try for something
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0other =C2=A0than =C2=A0the default =C2=A0outc= ome?" =C2=A0See [38]http://shrunklink.com/cdiz
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0[39]http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ = ***
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0[40]http://www.lojban.org/
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> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0or if
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0you're really stuck, send mail to [43]secretary@lojban.org for help.
> >
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0--
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0mu'o mi'e .aionys.
> >
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0.i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
> >
> > References
> >
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0Visible links
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A01. mailto:rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A02. mailto:rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A03. http://developer.smart.fm/forum/read/67134
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A04. ht= tp://smart.fm/
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A05. http://teddyb.org/rlp/tiki= -index.php?page=3DMass+Upload+To+Smart.FM
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A06. mailto:eyeon= us@gmail.com
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A07. mailto:rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A08. ht= tp://smart.fm/
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A09. ht= tp://smart.fm/
> > =C2=A0 10. http://developer.smart.fm/forum/read/67134
> > =C2=A0 11. http://shrunklink.com/cdiz
> > =C2=A0 12. http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/
> > =C2=A0 13. h= ttp://www.lojban.org/
> > =C2=A0 14. mailto:lojban-list-request@lojban.org
> > =C2=A0 15. http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/
> > =C2=A0 16. mailto:secreta= ry@lojban.org
> > =C2=A0 17. http://teddyb.org/rlp/tiki-in= dex.php?page=3DMass+Upload+To+Smart.FM
> > =C2=A0 18. mailto:eyeonus@gm= ail.com
> > =C2=A0 19. mailto:= rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org
> > =C2=A0 20. http://= smart.fm/
> > =C2=A0 21. http://= smart.fm/
> > =C2=A0 22. http://developer.smart.fm/forum/read/67134
> > =C2=A0 23. http://shrunklink.com/cdiz
> > =C2=A0 24. http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/
> > =C2=A0 25. h= ttp://www.lojban.org/
> > =C2=A0 26. mailto:lojban-list-request@lojban.org
> > =C2=A0 27. http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/
> > =C2=A0 28. mailto:secreta= ry@lojban.org
> > =C2=A0 29. http://shrunklink.com/cdiz
> > =C2=A0 30. http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/
> > =C2=A0 31. h= ttp://www.lojban.org/
> > =C2=A0 32. mailto:lojban-list-request@lojban.org
> > =C2=A0 33. http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/
> > =C2=A0 34. mailto:secreta= ry@lojban.org
> > =C2=A0 35. mailto:lojban-list-request@lojban.org
> > =C2=A0 36. http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/
> > =C2=A0 37. mailto:secreta= ry@lojban.org
> > =C2=A0 38. http://shrunklink.com/cdiz
> > =C2=A0 39. http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/
> > =C2=A0 40. h= ttp://www.lojban.org/
> > =C2=A0 41. mailto:lojban-list-request@lojban.org
> > =C2=A0 42. http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/
> > =C2=A0 43. mailto:secreta= ry@lojban.org
>
> --
> They say: =C2=A0"The first AIs will be built by the military as w= eapons."
> And I'm =C2=A0thinking: =C2=A0"Does it even occur to you to t= ry for something
> other =C2=A0than =C2=A0the default =C2=A0outcome?" =C2=A0See http://shrunklink.com/= cdiz
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