From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Mar 08 08:20:38 2010 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 08 Mar 2010 08:20:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Nofh7-0008PD-5N for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 08 Mar 2010 08:20:37 -0800 Received: from mail-ww0-f53.google.com ([74.125.82.53]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Nofgt-0008Mm-Rk for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 08 Mar 2010 08:20:36 -0800 Received: by wwi18 with SMTP id 18so3567355wwi.40 for ; Mon, 08 Mar 2010 08:20:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=1j7nqehMzKfmF5r188XgF+7nkjfP1Ab97vG+m+0EVoc=; b=ov1CSr2vh8mJr8FinF3nX3D9qA1ZkXg8BDYCAUB115qPQrgdVhI2nkVozlkO5sMQ52 +Vmzu7j0IJruj34hrIRELVtYSTKQFr/oOxObCug8+y6Oul8KQ2B4QIvHoGsa+9ok9Q+b MtiDcomXzoR7o+eikUWKc5x4tuT2l32GSjzSg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=oadEJ/LSxlqxFrszPLF/i3IJUA1YI4Z7jQbE8WfoZX563TCisUPzyn3AjyW/5EDwzv 0xfHTulQpYo9goPKutEYD/G8VjUT8DgJNIQ+F6kiBqLFBeAxR5URlA1v+V+7sLbq/RLY +QS3AIUd+d1JMG49NBwHO2zHdSDdaYGovi6Uc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.173.211 with SMTP id v61mr2760839wel.75.1268065216208; Mon, 08 Mar 2010 08:20:16 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <702226df1003080817ia1fbb96y5a9a94720bbc89a1@mail.gmail.com> References: <702226df1003070834y45826f8fj7e2e424319b93a7f@mail.gmail.com> <702226df1003071000r629f941bsf49ddaf5aec5a01d@mail.gmail.com> <702226df1003071025u5813cff0p3a7e68d293dc40cb@mail.gmail.com> <20100307183748.GK19073@digitalkingdom.org> <702226df1003071203h5180399bvc8df5374c8b128c@mail.gmail.com> <20100307205027.GN19073@digitalkingdom.org> <702226df1003071356ia724ef3s3e213f480a3b6917@mail.gmail.com> <20100308015232.GP19073@digitalkingdom.org> <20100308015605.GQ19073@digitalkingdom.org> <702226df1003080817ia1fbb96y5a9a94720bbc89a1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 09:20:16 -0700 Message-ID: <702226df1003080820v745c793aqe0fda0a6168e7dba@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: mass-uploading? From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016367fae43c3a1a704814c70c8 X-archive-position: 17145 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: eyeonus@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --0016367fae43c3a1a704814c70c8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Then we have things like this: lo se fraxu a receive forgivenesser Which ought to be "a receiver of forgiveness". On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 9:17 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > I had to convert it into a Google doc to edit it, due to limitations with > the public computer I'm using. (Not having your own computer sucks, and I > will be VERY happy when I get mine back.) > > So far, I've gotten to {lo se fraso}, and your automatic generation leave= s > a lot to be desired. That is at least partly my fault. > > The gismu sumti all need to have the keyword in their definitions. This w= ay > learners will be able to identify which gismu it is a sumti of, which I > believe should make the gismu sumti easier to memorize, and to prevent > technically correct wrong answers. For instance: > > fepni x1 is measured in money subunits as quantity x2 in monetary system > x3 > > The keyword (or phrase, in this case,) is "money subunits". So all the > gismu sumti need to have that. > Your automatic generation produced: > > lo fepni a thing measured in money subunits > lo se fepni a quantity of money subunits > lo te fepni a monetary system > > {lo te fepni} should be changed to "a monetary system with money subunits= " > > This is especially important in cases such as the following: > > gapru x1 is directly above x2 in reference frame x3 > lo gapru something above > lo se gapru something beneath > lo te gapru a reference frame of aboveness > > cnita x1 is directly beneath or below x2 in reference frame x3 > lo cnita something beneath > lo se cnita something above > lo te cnita a reference frame of beneathness > > {lo gapru} =3D {lo se cnita}, {lo se gapru} =3D {lo cnita} > > If Smart.fm quizzes on {lo gapru}, for instance, and displays the correct > answer for {lo se cnita}, a learners answering with that will be told the > answer is incorrect, even though, technically, it's not. > > In this case, {lo se gapru} can be changed to "something to which somethi= ng > is above", and {lo se cnita} to "something to which something is beneath"= . > (The "to which" bit isn't absolutely necessary, but "something something > ...." sounds odd to me. There may be a better way of phrasing it than I'v= e > put here, but I can't think of it.) > > Secondly, many of the definitions are in the form "a thing ...." or "a ..= . > thing". I would prefer those to be "something ....". "a thing ...." is > easily corrected with a simple find/replace and I've already done that wi= th > the document. > > On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 6:56 PM, Robin Lee Powell < > rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: > >> Erm. Sorry, sorting it means that you have no easy way to figure >> out which stuff I added. My bad. >> >> http://teddyb.org/~rlpowell/public_media/simplified_gismu.tsv >> >> I'll re-sort it when I upload. >> >> This used the google doc as a starting point and filled in anything >> that was blank. >> >> -Robin >> >> On Sun, Mar 07, 2010 at 05:52:32PM -0800, Robin Lee Powell wrote: >> > http://teddyb.org/~rlpowell/public_media/simplified_gismu_sorted.tsv >> > >> > That's sorted by frequency of usage, so you don't spend a bunch of >> > time learning random crap. >> > >> > Now, what about the cmavo? >> > >> > -Robin >> > >> > On Sun, Mar 07, 2010 at 02:56:46PM -0700, Jonathan Jones wrote: >> > > Sounds good to me. >> > > >> > > On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 1:50 PM, Robin Lee Powell >> > > <[1]rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: >> > > >> > > OK, but it sounded like you'd have to manually copy and paste >> > > whatever I do, which is a horrible waste of effort. >> > > >> > > Since it's all just going to drive my script anyways, I think i= t >> > > would be better if you just edit what I come up with directly, >> and >> > > send it back. >> > > -Robin >> > > On Sun, Mar 07, 2010 at 01:03:35PM -0700, Jonathan Jones wrote: >> > > > Honestly, I'd much rather edit the items BEFORE they are >> uploaded >> > > > to Smart.fm, because that would be easier and much less time >> > > > consuming. >> > > > >> > > > I doubt you've ever tried to edit an item on Smart.fm, so tak= e >> my >> > > > word for it that it is at least five times as difficult to ed= it >> an >> > > > item after being uploaded than it is to double-check the item= s >> in >> > > > a document beforehand- which as far as I'm concerned is the >> main >> > > > reason for the Google doc. >> > > > >> > > > If you can give me the gismu sumti, and some time to double >> check >> > > > the list so that we won't need to worry about editing the ite= ms >> > > > after the upload, I can fix up the Google doc to be exactly >> what >> > > > your script needs, with all the needed information and >> formatting. >> > > > >> > > > On 3/7/10, Robin Lee Powell <[2]rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> >> wrote: >> > > > > That would be my site, and those would be my scripts, and t= he >> sound >> > > > > uploads via API are *still* broken: >> > > > > [3]http://developer.smart.fm/forum/read/67134 >> > > > > >> > > > > There's a workaround, though; give me a day or so and I'll >> have a >> > > > > complete upload done with good-enough text, which y'all can >> then >> > > > > edit to your heart's content (since I'm told people can be >> allowed >> > > > > to edit each other's items now). >> > > > > >> > > > > Anybody who wants to edit the results should send me their >> > > [4]smart.fm >> > > > > userid. >> > > > > >> > > > > -Robin >> > > > > >> > > > > On Sun, Mar 07, 2010 at 11:25:43AM -0700, Jonathan Jones >> wrote: >> > > > >> Okay, a little Google search and I found the following >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > site:=EF=BF=BD[1][5] >> http://teddyb.org/rlp/tiki-index.php?page=3DMass+Upload+To+Smart.FM, >> > > > >> which has two Ruby scripts specifically for mass >> uploading >> > > items. >> > > > >> >> > > > >> On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Jonathan Jones >> > > <[2][6]eyeonus@gmail.com> >> > > > >> wrote: >> > > > >> >> > > > >> Okay, but what about uploading the items themselves? = As >> far as >> > > I know >> > > > >> they haven't even done that bit yet. >> > > > >> >> > > > >> On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Robin Lee Powell >> > > > >> <[3][7]rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: >> > > > >> >> > > > >> On Sun, Mar 07, 2010 at 05:38:37PM +0100, Timo >> Paulssen >> > > wrote: >> > > > >> > [4][8]smart.fm already offers an interface that a >> script >> > > can access, >> > > > >> the >> > > > >> > website itself. With the right tools, it should b= e >> > > possible to >> > > > >> > mass-upload the valsi definitions as well as the >> sounds >> > > without >> > > > >> > the [5][9]smart.fm folks having to expose any >> other kind >> > > of API to >> > > > >> us. >> > > > >> I >> > > > >> > dunno if rlp knows how to best do that, though. >> > > > >> >> > > > >> The sound uploads via API are broken: >> > > > >> [6][10]http://developer.smart.fm/forum/read/67134 >> > > > >> >> > > > >> I suppose I could use the HTTP based upload instead >> of the >> > > > >> multipart >> > > > >> upload; just makes the script less useful to other >> people. >> > > > >> >> > > > >> -Robin >> > > > >> >> > > > >> -- >> > > > >> They say: =EF=BF=BD"The first AIs will be built by = the >> military as >> > > > >> weapons." >> > > > >> And I'm =EF=BF=BDthinking: =EF=BF=BD"Does it even o= ccur to you to try >> for >> > > something >> > > > >> other =EF=BF=BDthan =EF=BF=BDthe default =EF=BF=BDo= utcome?" =EF=BF=BDSee >> > > > >> [7][11]http://shrunklink.com/cdiz >> > > > >> [8][12]http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** >> > > > >> [9][13]http://www.lojban.org/ >> > > > >> >> > > > >> To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to >> > > > >> [10][14]lojban-list-request@lojban.org >> > > > >> with the subject unsubscribe, or go to >> > > > >> [11][15]http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if >> > > > >> you're really stuck, send mail to >> > > [12][16]secretary@lojban.org for >> > > > >> help. >> > > > >> >> > > > >> -- >> > > > >> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >> > > > >> >> > > > >> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu >> > > > >> >> > > > >> -- >> > > > >> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >> > > > >> >> > > > >> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu >> > > > >> >> > > > >> References >> > > > >> >> > > > >> Visible links >> > > > >> 1. >> > > [17] >> http://teddyb.org/rlp/tiki-index.php?page=3DMass+Upload+To+Smart.FM >> > > > >> 2. mailto:[18]eyeonus@gmail.com >> > > > >> 3. mailto:[19]rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org >> > > > >> 4. [20]http://smart.fm/ >> > > > >> 5. [21]http://smart.fm/ >> > > > >> 6. [22]http://developer.smart.fm/forum/read/67134 >> > > > >> 7. [23]http://shrunklink.com/cdiz >> > > > >> 8. [24]http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ >> > > > >> 9. [25]http://www.lojban.org/ >> > > > >> 10. mailto:[26]lojban-list-request@lojban.org >> > > > >> 11. [27]http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/ >> > > > >> 12. mailto:[28]secretary@lojban.org >> > > > > >> > > > > -- >> > > > > They say: "The first AIs will be built by the military as >> weapons." >> > > > > And I'm thinking: "Does it even occur to you to try for >> something >> > > > > other than the default outcome?" See >> > > [29]http://shrunklink.com/cdiz >> > > > > [30]http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** >> > > [31]http://www.lojban.org/ >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to >> > > [32]lojban-list-request@lojban.org >> > > > > with the subject unsubscribe, or go to >> > > [33]http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if >> > > > > you're really stuck, send mail to [34]secretary@lojban.orgf= or help. >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > -- >> > > > mu'o mi'e .aionys. >> > > > >> > > > .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to >> > > [35]lojban-list-request@lojban.org >> > > > with the subject unsubscribe, or go to >> > > [36]http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if >> > > > you're really stuck, send mail to [37]secretary@lojban.org fo= r >> help. >> > > > >> > > >> > > -- >> > > They say: "The first AIs will be built by the military as >> weapons." >> > > And I'm thinking: "Does it even occur to you to try for >> something >> > > other than the default outcome?" See [38] >> http://shrunklink.com/cdiz >> > > [39]http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** >> > > [40]http://www.lojban.org/ >> > > >> > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to >> > > [41]lojban-list-request@lojban.org >> > > with the subject unsubscribe, or go to [42] >> http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, >> > > or if >> > > you're really stuck, send mail to [43]secretary@lojban.org for >> help. >> > > >> > > -- >> > > mu'o mi'e .aionys. >> > > >> > > .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu >> > > >> > > References >> > > >> > > Visible links >> > > 1. mailto:rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org >> > > 2. mailto:rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org >> > > 3. http://developer.smart.fm/forum/read/67134 >> > > 4. http://smart.fm/ >> > > 5. >> http://teddyb.org/rlp/tiki-index.php?page=3DMass+Upload+To+Smart.FM >> > > 6. mailto:eyeonus@gmail.com >> > > 7. mailto:rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org >> > > 8. http://smart.fm/ >> > > 9. http://smart.fm/ >> > > 10. http://developer.smart.fm/forum/read/67134 >> > > 11. http://shrunklink.com/cdiz >> > > 12. http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ >> > > 13. http://www.lojban.org/ >> > > 14. mailto:lojban-list-request@lojban.org >> > > 15. http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/ >> > > 16. mailto:secretary@lojban.org >> > > 17. >> http://teddyb.org/rlp/tiki-index.php?page=3DMass+Upload+To+Smart.FM >> > > 18. mailto:eyeonus@gmail.com >> > > 19. mailto:rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org >> > > 20. http://smart.fm/ >> > > 21. http://smart.fm/ >> > > 22. http://developer.smart.fm/forum/read/67134 >> > > 23. http://shrunklink.com/cdiz >> > > 24. http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ >> > > 25. http://www.lojban.org/ >> > > 26. mailto:lojban-list-request@lojban.org >> > > 27. http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/ >> > > 28. mailto:secretary@lojban.org >> > > 29. http://shrunklink.com/cdiz >> > > 30. http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ >> > > 31. http://www.lojban.org/ >> > > 32. mailto:lojban-list-request@lojban.org >> > > 33. http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/ >> > > 34. mailto:secretary@lojban.org >> > > 35. mailto:lojban-list-request@lojban.org >> > > 36. http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/ >> > > 37. mailto:secretary@lojban.org >> > > 38. http://shrunklink.com/cdiz >> > > 39. http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ >> > > 40. http://www.lojban.org/ >> > > 41. mailto:lojban-list-request@lojban.org >> > > 42. http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/ >> > > 43. mailto:secretary@lojban.org >> > >> > -- >> > They say: "The first AIs will be built by the military as weapons." >> > And I'm thinking: "Does it even occur to you to try for something >> > other than the default outcome?" See http://shrunklink.com/cdiz >> > http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ >> > >> > >> > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to >> lojban-list-request@lojban.org >> > with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or >> if >> > you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. >> > >> >> -- >> They say: "The first AIs will be built by the military as weapons." >> And I'm thinking: "Does it even occur to you to try for something >> other than the default outcome?" See http://shrunklink.com/cdiz >> http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ >> >> >> To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to >> lojban-list-request@lojban.org >> with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or i= f >> you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. >> >> > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu > > --=20 mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu --0016367fae43c3a1a704814c70c8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Then we have things like this:

lo se fraxu a receive forgivenesser=

Which ought to be "a rece= iver of forgiveness".

On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 9:17 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px= #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> I had to convert it into a Google doc to edit it, due to limitations with t= he public computer I'm using. (Not having your own computer sucks, and = I will be VERY happy when I get mine back.)

So far, I've go= tten to {lo se fraso}, and your automatic generation leaves a lot to be des= ired. That is at least partly my fault.

The gismu sumti all need to have the keyword in their d= efinitions. This way learners will be able to identify which gismu it is a = sumti of, which I believe should make the gismu sumti easier to memorize, a= nd to prevent technically correct wrong answers. For instance:

fepni x1 is= measured in money subunits as quantity x2 in monetary system x3
=
The keyword (or phrase, in this case,) is "money subuni= ts". So all the gismu sumti need to have that.
Your automatic generation produced:

lo fepni<= span style=3D"white-space:pre"> a thing measured in money subunits
lo se fepni a quantity of m= oney subunits
lo te fepni a monetary system

{lo te fepni} should be changed to "a monetary= system with money subunits"

This is especially important in cases such as the following:

gapru x1 is dir= ectly above x2 in reference frame x3
lo gapru something above
lo se gapru something beneath
lo te gapru a reference fra= me of aboveness

cnita x1 is directly= beneath or below x2 in reference frame x3
lo cnita something beneath
lo se cnita something above
lo te cnita a reference frame= of beneathness

{lo gapru} =3D {lo se cnita}, {lo se gapru} =3D {lo = cnita}

If Smart.fm quizzes on {lo gapru}, for inst= ance, and displays the correct answer for {lo se cnita}, a learners answeri= ng with that will be told the answer is incorrect, even though, technically= , it's not.

In this case, {lo se gapru} can be changed to "som= ething to which something is above", and {lo se cnita} to "someth= ing to which something is beneath". (The "to which" bit isn&= #39;t absolutely necessary, but "something something ...." sounds= odd to me. There may be a better way of phrasing it than I've put here= , but I can't think of it.)

Secondly, many of the definitions are in the form "= ;a thing ...." or "a ... thing". I would prefer those to be = "something ....". "a thing ...." is easily corrected wi= th a simple find/replace and I've already done that with the document.<= br>

On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 6:56 PM, Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digi= talkingdom.org> wrote:
Erm. =C2=A0Sorry, sorting it means that you have no easy way to figure
out which stuff I added. =C2=A0My bad.

http://teddyb.org/~rlpowell/public_media/simplified_gismu.= tsv

I'll re-sort it when I upload.

This used the google doc as a starting point and filled in anything
that was blank.

-Robin

On Sun, Mar 07, 2010 at 05:52:32PM -0800, Robin Lee Powell wrote:
> http://teddyb.org/~rlpowell/public_media/simpl= ified_gismu_sorted.tsv
>
> That's sorted by frequency of usage, so you don't spend a bunc= h of
> time learning random crap.
>
> Now, what about the cmavo?
>
> -Robin
>
> On Sun, Mar 07, 2010 at 02:56:46PM -0700, Jonathan Jones wrote:
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0Sounds good to me.
> >
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 1:50 PM, Robin Lee Powell
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0<[1]rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
> >
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0OK, but it sounded like you'd have to man= ually copy and paste
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0whatever I do, which is a horrible waste of e= ffort.
> >
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Since it's all just going to drive my scr= ipt anyways, I think it
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0would be better if you just edit what I come = up with directly, and
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0send it back.
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0-Robin
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0On Sun, Mar 07, 2010 at 01:03:35PM -0700, Jon= athan Jones wrote:
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Honestly, I'd much rather edit the i= tems BEFORE they are uploaded
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> to Smart.fm, because that would be easie= r and much less time
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> consuming.
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> I doubt you've ever tried to edit an= item on Smart.fm, so take my
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> word for it that it is at least five tim= es as difficult to edit an
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> item after being uploaded than it is to = double-check the items in
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> a document beforehand- which as far as I= 'm concerned is the main
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> reason for the Google doc.
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> If you can give me the gismu sumti, and = some time to double check
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> the list so that we won't need to wo= rry about editing the items
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> after the upload, I can fix up the Googl= e doc to be exactly what
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> your script needs, with all the needed i= nformation and formatting.
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> On 3/7/10, Robin Lee Powell <[2]rlpowell@digita= lkingdom.org> wrote:
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > That would be my site, and those wo= uld be my scripts, and the sound
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > uploads via API are *still* broken:=
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > [3]http://developer.smart.fm/forum/re= ad/67134
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > There's a workaround, though; g= ive me a day or so and I'll have a
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > complete upload done with good-enou= gh text, which y'all can then
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > edit to your heart's content (s= ince I'm told people can be allowed
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > to edit each other's items now)= .
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > Anybody who wants to edit the resul= ts should send me their
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0[4]smart.fm
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > userid.
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > -Robin
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > On Sun, Mar 07, 2010 at 11:25:43AM = -0700, Jonathan Jones wrote:
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0Okay, a little Goo= gle search and I found the following
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0site:=EF=BF=BD[1][5]ht= tp://teddyb.org/rlp/tiki-index.php?page=3DMass+Upload+To+Smart.FM,
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0which has two Ruby= scripts specifically for mass uploading
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0items.
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0On Sun, Mar 7, 201= 0 at 11:00 AM, Jonathan Jones
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<[2][6]eyeonus@gmail.com>
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0wrote:
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Okay, but w= hat about uploading the items themselves? As far as
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I know
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0they haven&= #39;t even done that bit yet.
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0On Sun, Mar= 7, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Robin Lee Powell
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<[3][7]<= a href=3D"mailto:rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org" target=3D"_blank">rlpowell@di= gitalkingdom.org> wrote:
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0On S= un, Mar 07, 2010 at 05:38:37PM +0100, Timo Paulssen
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0wrote:
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>= [4][8]smart.fm already o= ffers an interface that a script
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0can access,
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0the<= br> > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>= website itself. With the right tools, it should be
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0possible to
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>= mass-upload the valsi definitions as well as the sounds
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0without
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>= the [5][9]smart.fm folks= having to expose any other kind
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0of API to
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> us.
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>= dunno if rlp knows how to best do that, though.
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0The = sound uploads via API are broken:
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0[6][= 10]http://developer.smart.fm/forum/read/67134
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I su= ppose I could use the HTTP based upload instead of the
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> multipart
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0uplo= ad; just makes the script less useful to other people.
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0-Rob= in
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0-- > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0They= say: =EF=BF=BD"The first AIs will be built by the military as
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> weapons."
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0And = I'm =EF=BF=BDthinking: =EF=BF=BD"Does it even occur to you to try = for
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0something
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0othe= r =EF=BF=BDthan =EF=BF=BDthe default =EF=BF=BDoutcome?" =EF=BF=BDSee > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> [7][11]http://shrunklink.com/cdiz
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0[8][= 12]h= ttp://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ ***
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0[9][= 13]http://www.lojban.o= rg/
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0To u= nsubscribe from this list, send mail to
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> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0with= the subject unsubscribe, or go to
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0[11]= [15]http://www.lo= jban.org/lsg2/, or if
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0you&= #39;re really stuck, send mail to
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0[12][16]secretary@lojban.org for
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> help.
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0--
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0mu'o mi= 'e .aionys.
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0.i.a'o.= e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0--
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0mu'o mi'e = .aionys.
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0.i.a'o.e'e= ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> References
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0Visible links
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A01.
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0[17]http://teddyb.org/= rlp/tiki-index.php?page=3DMass+Upload+To+Smart.FM
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A02. mailto:[18]eyeonus@gmail.com > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A03. mailto:[19]rlpowell@digit= alkingdom.org
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A04. [20]http://smart.fm/
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A05. [21]http://smart.fm/
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A06. [22]http://develo= per.smart.fm/forum/read/67134
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A07. [23]http://shrunklink.com/cdiz
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A08. [24]http://www.digi= talkingdom.org/~rlpowell/
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A09. [25]http://www.lojban.org/
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 10. mailto:[26]lojban-list-re= quest@lojban.org
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 11. [27]http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/ > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 12. mailto:[28]secretary@lojban.org=
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > --
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > They say: =C2=A0"The first AIs= will be built by the military as weapons."
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > And I'm =C2=A0thinking: =C2=A0&= quot;Does it even occur to you to try for something
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > other =C2=A0than =C2=A0the default = =C2=A0outcome?" =C2=A0See
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0[29]http://shrunklink.com/cdiz
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > [30]http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpo= well/ ***
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0[31]http://www.lojban.org/
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >
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> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0[33]http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > you're really stuck, send mail = to [34]secretary@= lojban.org for help.
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> --
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe = denpa bu
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
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> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> >
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0--
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0They say: =C2=A0"The first AIs will be b= uilt by the military as weapons."
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0And I'm =C2=A0thinking: =C2=A0"Does = it even occur to you to try for something
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0other =C2=A0than =C2=A0the default =C2=A0outc= ome?" =C2=A0See [38]http://shrunklink.com/cdiz
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0[39]http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ = ***
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0[40]http://www.lojban.org/
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> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0or if
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0you're really stuck, send mail to [43]secretary@lojban.org= for help.
> >
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0--
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0mu'o mi'e .aionys.
> >
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0.i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
> >
> > References
> >
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0Visible links
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A01. mailto:rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A02. mailto:rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A03. http://developer.smart.fm/forum/read/67134
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A04. ht= tp://smart.fm/
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A05. http://teddyb.org/rlp/tiki= -index.php?page=3DMass+Upload+To+Smart.FM
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A06. mailto:eyeonus@gmail.com
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A07. mailto:rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A08. ht= tp://smart.fm/
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A09. ht= tp://smart.fm/
> > =C2=A0 10. http://developer.smart.fm/forum/read/67134
> > =C2=A0 11. http://shrunklink.com/cdiz
> > =C2=A0 12. http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/
> > =C2=A0 13. h= ttp://www.lojban.org/
> > =C2=A0 14. mailto:lojban-list-request@lojban.org
> > =C2=A0 15. http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/
> > =C2=A0 16. mailto:secretary@lojban.org
> > =C2=A0 17. http://teddyb.org/rlp/tiki-in= dex.php?page=3DMass+Upload+To+Smart.FM
> > =C2=A0 18. mailto:eyeonus@gmail.com
> > =C2=A0 19. mailto:rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org
> > =C2=A0 20. http://= smart.fm/
> > =C2=A0 21. http://= smart.fm/
> > =C2=A0 22. http://developer.smart.fm/forum/read/67134
> > =C2=A0 23. http://shrunklink.com/cdiz
> > =C2=A0 24. http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/
> > =C2=A0 25. h= ttp://www.lojban.org/
> > =C2=A0 26. mailto:lojban-list-request@lojban.org
> > =C2=A0 27. http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/
> > =C2=A0 28. mailto:secretary@lojban.org
> > =C2=A0 29. http://shrunklink.com/cdiz
> > =C2=A0 30. http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/
> > =C2=A0 31. h= ttp://www.lojban.org/
> > =C2=A0 32. mailto:lojban-list-request@lojban.org
> > =C2=A0 33. http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/
> > =C2=A0 34. mailto:secretary@lojban.org
> > =C2=A0 35. mailto:lojban-list-request@lojban.org
> > =C2=A0 36. http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/
> > =C2=A0 37. mailto:secretary@lojban.org
> > =C2=A0 38. http://shrunklink.com/cdiz
> > =C2=A0 39. http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/
> > =C2=A0 40. h= ttp://www.lojban.org/
> > =C2=A0 41. mailto:lojban-list-request@lojban.org
> > =C2=A0 42. http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/
> > =C2=A0 43. mailto:secretary@lojban.org
>
> --
> They say: =C2=A0"The first AIs will be built by the military as w= eapons."
> And I'm =C2=A0thinking: =C2=A0"Does it even occur to you to t= ry for something
> other =C2=A0than =C2=A0the default =C2=A0outcome?" =C2=A0See http://shrunklink.com/= cdiz
> http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/
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