From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Mar 12 06:03:11 2010 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 12 Mar 2010 06:03:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Nq5SI-0002pL-GG for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Fri, 12 Mar 2010 06:03:10 -0800 Received: from mail-pw0-f53.google.com ([209.85.160.53]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Nq5S1-0002jm-Sl for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 12 Mar 2010 06:03:04 -0800 Received: by pwj3 with SMTP id 3so652244pwj.40 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 2010 06:02:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=YxrpmkjSNQlhhQzVYUDKLNOwMVVUdNODEXno74cPnf0=; b=fDMdAh2rjBraeevLazUk046rv+8QkCdylzufCnIZhI6wtfHoryFV5DtfMGcOhFN0/a 0FXw6bTmBbMDa7l7KUTNEQ1/yHdAqw2VA+zyCwTWqBJhxqjargDantDFVMDQC3wQShhV mePlGiXIGuhM2zqlz08a9I3a5Bf5tbsH6i0EE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=N4h2UpX2K59U1nckCcj9T7q5mu8EhC8Hl5DA1GaAmoRZLTVIhl006ghumVAFbxN60V vgjlmtM9X86ig+xuOK86YwKkccQxozwocMpEJksfaoh2YFTdZeSj4AJbbDTPUB0jiEEW DVTJX+j4CCD+OllyAuFyjC68hRpBDlpWeym90= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.207.18 with SMTP id e18mr563737wfg.331.1268402566970; Fri, 12 Mar 2010 06:02:46 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <925d17561003120510w5268cea2sdbf61cc89932839d@mail.gmail.com> References: <925d17561003120510w5268cea2sdbf61cc89932839d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 09:02:46 -0500 Message-ID: <96f789a61003120602s47cb9b94p20cf5cbd9776990c@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: cusku - say or express? From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 17174 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: mturniansky@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list 2010/3/12 Jorge Llambías : > On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 10:45 PM, Robin Lee Powell > wrote: >> >> As a minor point, I'm changing all the "cusku" keywords, because >> "cusku" is any form of expression, and "say" implies talking (which >> is tavla). > > "Say" is a better keyword for "cusku" than "express", because the x2 > of cusku is a sign, not a meaning. > > You say "thank you", you express gratitude. > You say "I'm happy", you express happiness. > You say "WTF", you express surprise, incredulity, etc. > You say the words, the signs; you express the meaning of those words, > those signs. > > The difference between saying and talking is that you say words and > you talk about things. So all three, say, talk and express, are > different. All three can be done with sign language or in writing, as > far as I understand. The most common form for all three is spoken > language, but the main difference between them is their object, not > the medium. > ISTM that "communicate" might be the best of all, because "say" often does connote bacru, as Robin says...errr..communicates. --gejyspa > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org > with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if > you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.