From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Mar 12 10:40:28 2010 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 12 Mar 2010 10:40:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Nq9md-00055I-I8 for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Fri, 12 Mar 2010 10:40:27 -0800 Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Nq9mc-00054c-Ku for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 12 Mar 2010 10:40:27 -0800 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 10:40:26 -0800 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: cusku - say or express? Message-ID: <20100312184026.GL10385@digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org References: <925d17561003120510w5268cea2sdbf61cc89932839d@mail.gmail.com> <96f789a61003120602s47cb9b94p20cf5cbd9776990c@mail.gmail.com> <925d17561003120611x3f71d5baydd1a8019b336eddb@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <925d17561003120611x3f71d5baydd1a8019b336eddb@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-archive-position: 17186 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 11:11:37AM -0300, Jorge Llambías wrote: > On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 11:02 AM, Michael Turniansky > wrote: > > > >  ISTM that "communicate" might be the best of all, because "say" > > often does connote bacru, as Robin says...errr..communicates. > > But "communicate" doesn't normally have words as the object. You > say words, you communicate ideas. > > "Say" is completely normal for written communication ("what does > it say here?", "what did he say in his letter?"), and while I > don't have much experience with sign language, if I see two people > signing I would not hesitate to say "I don't understand what they > are saying". It seems to me that "say" does not require bacru at > all. It doesn't require it, but it absence of context, to me, it most certainly implies it. Very strongly. So, "talk" and "say", as memorization keywords, confuse the hell out of me. -Robin -- They say: "The first AIs will be built by the military as weapons." And I'm thinking: "Does it even occur to you to try for something other than the default outcome?" See http://shrunklink.com/cdiz http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.