From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Mar 12 10:48:02 2010 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 12 Mar 2010 10:48:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Nq9tx-0005Lo-8G for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Fri, 12 Mar 2010 10:48:02 -0800 Received: from mail-yw0-f172.google.com ([209.85.211.172]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Nq9tq-0005Kv-1t for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 12 Mar 2010 10:48:00 -0800 Received: by ywh2 with SMTP id 2so550242ywh.24 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 2010 10:47:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=PEnDCiUeFHKSIHGJ+3JrgfCCnBrgQ3mbTGq9ONehovU=; b=RDzVqw1R6S8LSUlFMBbrx9/abjVK9m6kFhx+YG/LoVePLSpSU68Wt1IUMjeVeNj2Rj iAR+3LbYHZ+90BUgHFbDvZol0mhzcTDdBmgREgHCwa/uXAPA3CK58C00p/SiD76h4W0A IET2twx7o/gQCM8XYti+06Q0ffZz9oUy3liQc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=c4ZZyI8Vj3GccvHGcXE/R+0G1dSUJhdaKQuKy9efYEYcguAPcj1ZYRPRR3JSfc+fuO O0tuzMFEZIfqA8qb7GraDB0BW6eb9F4vr23DumddCPJLstnuB7wJKBvE7z/sZPk1mctu Swx367Er2HTtqUDX/buKuFYNA8aLcdSHUnbCk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.55.20 with SMTP id d20mr1494106ana.66.1268419667178; Fri, 12 Mar 2010 10:47:47 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20100312183050.GJ10385@digitalkingdom.org> References: <925d17561003120510w5268cea2sdbf61cc89932839d@mail.gmail.com> <20100312183050.GJ10385@digitalkingdom.org> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 13:47:47 -0500 Message-ID: <249d5b951003121047r7b5c835evc8d9d9a79b54ba30@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: cusku - say or express? From: MorphemeAddict To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f4b0d2b0345104819ef7c2 X-archive-position: 17187 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lytlesw@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --001485f4b0d2b0345104819ef7c2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Robin, Do you mean that you say things like "What did you talk to him?" and "We said for hours"? "Say" and "talk" generally take different kinds of arguments, and it's only in their both being speech acts that they're synonyms. stevo On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 1:30 PM, Robin Lee Powell < rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: > On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 10:10:37AM -0300, Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas wrote: > > The difference between saying and talking is that you say words > > and you talk about things. So all three, say, talk and express, > > are different. All three can be done with sign language or in > > writing, as far as I understand. > > That's not how I use the words. > > "say" and "talk" are pure synonyms, and mean spoken expression, > "express" is medium-agnostic. > > Hence, since "cusku" has a "medium" place, it is "express" to me. > > If cusku is "say" and tavla is "talk", for flashcard memorization > purposes, I'm going to confuse them a lot. I expect, but do not > know, that other native speakers would have the same problem. > > For purposes other than flashcard memorization, it doesn't matter: > the place structure speaks (hah!) for itself. > > -Robin > > -- > They say: "The first AIs will be built by the military as weapons." > And I'm thinking: "Does it even occur to you to try for something > other than the default outcome?" See http://shrunklink.com/cdiz > http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.or= g > with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if > you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. > > --001485f4b0d2b0345104819ef7c2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Robin,
Do you mean that you say things like "What did you talk to him?&q= uot; and "We said for hours"?
"Say" and "talk" generally take different kinds of= arguments, and it's only in their both being speech acts that they'= ;re synonyms.
=C2=A0
stevo

On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 1:30 PM, Robin Lee Powel= l <rlpo= well@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 10:10:37AM -0300, Jorge Llamb=C3= =ADas wrote:
> The difference between saying and talking is that you = say words
> and you talk about things. So all three, say, talk and ex= press,
> are different. All three can be done with sign language or in
> = writing, as far as I understand.

That's not how I use the = words.

"say" and "talk" are pure synonyms, and m= ean spoken expression,
"express" is medium-agnostic.

Hence, since "cusku&quo= t; has a "medium" place, it is "express" to me.

= If cusku is "say" and tavla is "talk", for flashcard me= morization
purposes, I'm going to confuse them a lot. =C2=A0I expect, but do notknow, that other native speakers would have the same problem.

For = purposes other than flashcard memorization, it doesn't matter:
the p= lace structure speaks (hah!) for itself.

-Robin

--
They say: =C2=A0"The f= irst AIs will be built by the military as weapons."
And I'm =C2= =A0thinking: =C2=A0"Does it even occur to you to try for something
= other =C2=A0than =C2=A0the default =C2=A0outcome?" =C2=A0See http://shrunklink.com/cdi= z
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