From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Mar 12 11:16:21 2010 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 12 Mar 2010 11:16:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NqALM-0005qE-85 for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Fri, 12 Mar 2010 11:16:20 -0800 Received: from mail-bw0-f219.google.com ([209.85.218.219]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NqALB-0005jR-Aw for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 12 Mar 2010 11:16:17 -0800 Received: by bwz19 with SMTP id 19so1397967bwz.26 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 2010 11:16:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=r/ejNeZtQkaAejFzvW5YPZU2Sibcsi4ofEXpYXrMY78=; b=btM5UBLAhi/7exRE1/bRcsxKq/ZFPvtXkrNJSdgpdSPAeiM4v3XJu34GXRW4/LCbll fJU53U3c377gl6Z7kftP+p9p+niwHZ58EjaWGD8GAv7+YdF//2+EbI4Ld5lihH9AErO8 goRYEdTn+SJcmr5TCpyjsv/fTDFjVDuJg0LQI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=MIbe9a4RtmahFqYEMkkJKWSW3fx4FmvR3x2ge4hCmGHD8z8Yr50P2daih/qEJA1RGW mIhy5gCGtF3RuJDxgCehIyaFvCLA8pMdNYB5fEJuhIJ80LXoJwW4rVHYU6eGV2LQAMWD geA7AqJ/3j1jcLuB9rsiRnxTp0mLOtht/nGwo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.144.130 with SMTP id z2mr1628135bku.55.1268421362755; Fri, 12 Mar 2010 11:16:02 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20100312183050.GJ10385@digitalkingdom.org> References: <925d17561003120510w5268cea2sdbf61cc89932839d@mail.gmail.com> <20100312183050.GJ10385@digitalkingdom.org> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 16:16:02 -0300 Message-ID: <925d17561003121116t634e3b47xe5e4105e225ba491@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: cusku - say or express? From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 17189 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 10:10:37AM -0300, Jorge Llambías wrote: >> The difference between saying and talking is that you say words >> and you talk about things. So all three, say, talk and express, >> are different. All three can be done with sign language or in >> writing, as far as I understand. > > That's not how I use the words. > > "say" and "talk" are pure synonyms, and mean spoken expression, I don't believe you. I'm sure you don't say: I talked "hello" to him, and I said to him about a few things. > "express" is medium-agnostic. So it is, but I'm sure you don't say: I expressed "how are you?" > Hence, since "cusku" has a "medium" place, it is "express" to me. That doesn't follow. > If cusku is "say" and tavla is "talk", for flashcard memorization > purposes, I'm going to confuse them a lot.  I expect, but do not > know, that other native speakers would have the same problem. > > For purposes other than flashcard memorization, it doesn't matter: > the place structure speaks (hah!) for itself. I agree with the last part. For anyone who pays attention to the place structure, the keyword is fairly irrelevant. For those who just like to memorize keywords, "express" is a bad keyword for "cusku", because you don't use "cusku" in the contexts where you would use "express" in English, you use it in the contexts where you would use "say" in English. mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.