From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Mar 12 12:14:36 2010 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 12 Mar 2010 12:14:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NqBFj-0005ka-AR for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Fri, 12 Mar 2010 12:14:35 -0800 Received: from mail-pv0-f181.google.com ([74.125.83.181]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NqBFa-0005WU-Qi for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 12 Mar 2010 12:14:33 -0800 Received: by pvc30 with SMTP id 30so647126pvc.40 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 2010 12:14:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=SO9ZwlurnQE1fRhpf7xK0fFFiak3+dUlFsLEmM6ID1Y=; b=hoK+txGnrEiEkLJi/HJ3lpZpIE1GxzxQGMIE31Cc1sBOnKdVa1sBPaVtYuWPcWh/tP 2le42+fTQLXVvuXj0oJXf6gG1wEM8f3gnxM5OrSeubj2WDJeXB/FA/7M9dOSuheAkK+7 Td6TUqMHStvbszh+U2H6rfsN6kG423/I/Hxng= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=RINEctSC3W8bqHaAYnILJGfawmABDavDuIXBGX8+OgTzDi9rt3AlD+BzXnTXHgpTn7 I08JogglPct2IOYH1GF5J9guWtYIaKKQEYqFxvB/Nd1QmhjQfBdQlzJwEx2cDkSp4btD lpSoHRqw0cyjz6X0I4Fwvc2yr31LYHbP4uqiE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.249.24 with SMTP id w24mr105919wfh.175.1268424859333; Fri, 12 Mar 2010 12:14:19 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20100312200241.GP10385@digitalkingdom.org> References: <925d17561003120510w5268cea2sdbf61cc89932839d@mail.gmail.com> <20100312183050.GJ10385@digitalkingdom.org> <925d17561003121116t634e3b47xe5e4105e225ba491@mail.gmail.com> <20100312192042.GN10385@digitalkingdom.org> <925d17561003121145x53ade2a3sdf2c6d443cce8854@mail.gmail.com> <20100312195727.GO10385@digitalkingdom.org> <20100312200241.GP10385@digitalkingdom.org> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 15:14:19 -0500 Message-ID: <96f789a61003121214ka1ab6edndfc0e7168863bf57@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: cusku - say or express? From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 17196 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: mturniansky@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 3:02 PM, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > To expand on that: even if "I express "Oh no!"" is wrong (and it > looks like bad style to me, but not wrong), I still assert that "lo > cusku" translated as "an expresser" is just fine, but "lo cusku" > translated as "a sayer" is not, because the latter implies mouth > noises.  I assert, in fact, that translatiing "lo cusku" in > isolation as "a sayer" is simply wrong; that's how strongly "say" > implies mouth noises to me. > > Maybe my use of "say" is wrong, but the point of flashcards is to > work *with* how I understand the language I already know, not > against it.  Since at least one native English speaker has agreed > with me, I don't think I'm that weird anyways. > > -Robin > > -- > They say:  "The first AIs will be built by the military as weapons." > And I'm  thinking:  "Does it even occur to you to try for something > other  than  the default  outcome?"  See http://shrunklink.com/cdiz > http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ > Just ironically beating a dead horse here, but it's interesting that your .sig line uses "say" without in fact necessarily referring to a vocal expression. It could very well have only appeared in print.... I'm just sayin' (in print ;-) Don't shoot the messenger... -gejyspa To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.