From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Mar 12 13:28:28 2010 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 12 Mar 2010 13:28:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NqCPD-0007oe-MD for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Fri, 12 Mar 2010 13:28:28 -0800 Received: from pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net ([207.69.200.40]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NqCP2-0007nz-Vb for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 12 Mar 2010 13:28:23 -0800 Received: from user-11214ei.dsl.mindspring.com ([66.32.145.210] helo=[192.168.0.191]) by pop06.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1NqCP0-0000Vg-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 12 Mar 2010 16:28:15 -0500 Subject: [lojban] Re: cusku - say or express? From: Robert Slaughter To: lojban-list@lojban.org In-Reply-To: <925d17561003121311m422cf3bbjf82ee369a9b6c33b@mail.gmail.com> References: <925d17561003120510w5268cea2sdbf61cc89932839d@mail.gmail.com> <20100312183050.GJ10385@digitalkingdom.org> <925d17561003121116t634e3b47xe5e4105e225ba491@mail.gmail.com> <20100312192042.GN10385@digitalkingdom.org> <925d17561003121145x53ade2a3sdf2c6d443cce8854@mail.gmail.com> <20100312195727.GO10385@digitalkingdom.org> <925d17561003121311m422cf3bbjf82ee369a9b6c33b@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=-BOD5rDLMW+Y8/wZC7I6P" Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 16:28:13 -0500 Message-Id: <1268429293.26304.3.camel@thomas> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.26.1 X-archive-position: 17199 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rslau@mindspring.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --=-BOD5rDLMW+Y8/wZC7I6P Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 2010-03-12 at 18:11 -0300, Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas wrote: > You and I already know well what "cusku" means, so whatever keyword > you choose won't affect you or me. If your argument is that English > speakers in general get confused about the meaning of "say", to the > extent that they can't readily distinguish it from "talk" without > context, well, maybe a single keyword is just not the answer. Looking over the discussion today, maybe this point made in passing by xorxes should be reviewed. I've always though that the single keyword idea, as used in logflash (for example), was a weak match, but a short key-phrase might work better for capturing the underlying meaning of the lojban words -- nor just gismu, but the more troublesome cmavo as well. --=20 Bob Slaughter, rslauGUESS@WHATmindspring.com http://www.mindspring.com/~rslau/ North Georgia Modurail: http://www.trainweb.org/northgamodurail/ "The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but beca= use of those who look on and do nothing." -- Albert Einstein< "The price good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled b= y evil men." -- Plato --=-BOD5rDLMW+Y8/wZC7I6P Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Fri, 2010-03-12 at 18:11 -0300, Jorge Llambías wrote: 
You and I already know well what "cusku" means, so whatever keyword
you choose won't affect you or me. If your argument is that English
speakers in general get confused about the meaning of "say", to the
extent that they can't readily distinguish it from "talk" without
context, well, maybe a single keyword is just not the answer.

Looking over the discussion today, maybe this point made in passing by xorxes should be reviewed. I've always though that the single keyword idea, as used in logflash (for example), was a weak match, but a short key-phrase might work better for capturing the underlying meaning of the lojban words -- nor just gismu, but the more troublesome cmavo as well.

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Bob Slaughter, rslauGUESS@WHATmindspring.com
http://www.mindspring.com/~rslau/
North Georgia Modurail: http://www.trainweb.org/northgamodurail/
"The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing." -- Albert Einstein<
"The price good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men." -- Plato
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