From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sat Mar 13 15:25:27 2010 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 13 Mar 2010 15:25:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Nqahy-00050D-MY for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sat, 13 Mar 2010 15:25:27 -0800 Received: from pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net ([207.69.200.28]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Nqahr-0004zG-1o for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 13 Mar 2010 15:25:26 -0800 Received: from user-11214ei.dsl.mindspring.com ([66.32.145.210] helo=[192.168.0.191]) by pop04.mail.atl.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1Nqahp-0000nP-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 13 Mar 2010 18:25:17 -0500 Subject: [lojban] Re: A different way to do the flashcards (was Re: Re: cusku - say or express?) From: Robert Slaughter To: lojban-list@lojban.org In-Reply-To: <20100313212857.GA25330@digitalkingdom.org> References: <925d17561003120510w5268cea2sdbf61cc89932839d@mail.gmail.com> <20100312183050.GJ10385@digitalkingdom.org> <925d17561003121116t634e3b47xe5e4105e225ba491@mail.gmail.com> <20100312192042.GN10385@digitalkingdom.org> <925d17561003121145x53ade2a3sdf2c6d443cce8854@mail.gmail.com> <20100312195727.GO10385@digitalkingdom.org> <925d17561003121311m422cf3bbjf82ee369a9b6c33b@mail.gmail.com> <1268429293.26304.3.camel@thomas> <20100313212857.GA25330@digitalkingdom.org> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=-/Pa7adIuqtyVF0P5VdsO" Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 18:25:15 -0500 Message-Id: <1268522715.480.11.camel@thomas> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.26.1 X-archive-position: 17208 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rslau@mindspring.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --=-/Pa7adIuqtyVF0P5VdsO Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sat, 2010-03-13 at 13:28 -0800, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > smart.fm actually *does* use whole phrases, like "an expresser" or > "a sayer" for "lo cusku". > > What I'm wondering is if it shouldn't instead say "a sayer (place 1 > of: x1 says x2 for audience x3 via expressive medium x4)". That is, > have both the short form *and* the place structure. I *really* like this. I think the simple keyword misses a lot of what is good about Lojban, and this approach brings place-structures into the fore as well. "cusku" is not really the same as "say", but something kinda like "say", and this explains what that 'something' is. > The big advantage there is that instead of saying "an audience of > something said", we can say "an audience (place 3 of: x1 says x2 for > audience x3 via expressive medium x4), which seems far more natural > to me. Oddly. :) audience in this context is "te cusku", correct? :) -- Bob Slaughter, rslauGUESS@WHATmindspring.com http://www.mindspring.com/~rslau/ North Georgia Modurail: http://www.trainweb.org/northgamodurail/ "The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing." -- Albert Einstein< "The price good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men." -- Plato --=-/Pa7adIuqtyVF0P5VdsO Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sat, 2010-03-13 at 13:28 -0800, Robin Lee Powell wrote:

smart.fm actually *does* use whole phrases, like "an expresser" or
"a sayer" for "lo cusku".

What I'm wondering is if it shouldn't instead say "a sayer (place 1
of: x1 says x2 for audience x3 via expressive medium x4)".  That is,
have both the short form *and* the place structure.

I *really* like this. I think the simple keyword misses a lot of what 
is good about Lojban, and this approach brings place-structures into 
the fore as well. "cusku" is not really the same as "say", but 
something kinda like "say", and this explains what that 'something' is.

The big advantage there is that instead of saying "an audience of
something said", we can say "an audience (place 3 of: x1 says x2 for
audience x3 via expressive medium x4), which seems far more natural
to me.  Oddly.  :)

audience in this context is "te cusku", correct? :)

-- 
Bob Slaughter, rslauGUESS@WHATmindspring.com
http://www.mindspring.com/~rslau/
North Georgia Modurail: http://www.trainweb.org/northgamodurail/
"The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing." -- Albert Einstein<
"The price good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men." -- Plato

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