From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sat Mar 13 19:15:04 2010 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 13 Mar 2010 19:15:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NqeIB-0003OI-UF for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Sat, 13 Mar 2010 19:15:04 -0800 Received: from mail-pz0-f197.google.com ([209.85.222.197]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NqeI4-00035k-Jy for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 13 Mar 2010 19:15:02 -0800 Received: by pzk35 with SMTP id 35so1455708pzk.28 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 2010 19:14:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=pvipyyme6T/bb71ITEK+q+kycXQ2kKQsv0LZn4esn54=; b=ZnMNAO78Jw2m6rlMTDegS+MSqZssuHAVTlwjUlX2E/YoxB3QKyIWcZ9MyjrUrh/DuW gShreag55+8NYbOM1HtlhQNktPr2041+qTp8h7HZ/mFNBzOLQQvgWktl8Wr75GsSt9lF la2GS9hpejozRrq4OSfOgPORQgKc+7lCS2F9w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; b=Gz6V5Ix8tjGAOERjgCmOjx3Bv90Xui2uMlDu5hWgfidTXwi2fhu/5NZE3cA7Tk0ch/ gVlr25+aUnqe1qESQO1DgnSo3Njki78Co5FeTWDcKKnGHgamQ4lCwQvlYN7nSBwAhVdk ZRPigifLYTfADt4btVueEp4NZdRKYC19I6gn8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.67.38 with SMTP id p38mr983381wfa.83.1268536490238; Sat, 13 Mar 2010 19:14:50 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1268522715.480.11.camel@thomas> References: <925d17561003120510w5268cea2sdbf61cc89932839d@mail.gmail.com> <20100312183050.GJ10385@digitalkingdom.org> <925d17561003121116t634e3b47xe5e4105e225ba491@mail.gmail.com> <20100312192042.GN10385@digitalkingdom.org> <925d17561003121145x53ade2a3sdf2c6d443cce8854@mail.gmail.com> <20100312195727.GO10385@digitalkingdom.org> <925d17561003121311m422cf3bbjf82ee369a9b6c33b@mail.gmail.com> <1268429293.26304.3.camel@thomas> <20100313212857.GA25330@digitalkingdom.org> <1268522715.480.11.camel@thomas> From: Oren Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 11:14:30 +0800 Message-ID: <27513e551003131914s1930e3dt6c0498b723c977a6@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: A different way to do the flashcards (was Re: Re: cusku - say or express?) To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636e0a4d2e2a19b0481ba2aa8 X-archive-position: 17213 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: get.oren@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --001636e0a4d2e2a19b0481ba2aa8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 .ie ti cu sampu gi'e banzu .i co'o On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 07:25, Robert Slaughter wrote: > On Sat, 2010-03-13 at 13:28 -0800, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > smart.fm actually *does* use whole phrases, like "an expresser" or > "a sayer" for "lo cusku". > > What I'm wondering is if it shouldn't instead say "a sayer (place 1 > of: x1 says x2 for audience x3 via expressive medium x4)". That is, > have both the short form *and* the place structure. > > I *really* like this. I think the simple keyword misses a lot of what > is good about Lojban, and this approach brings place-structures into > the fore as well. "cusku" is not really the same as "say", but > something kinda like "say", and this explains what that 'something' is. > > > The big advantage there is that instead of saying "an audience of > something said", we can say "an audience (place 3 of: x1 says x2 for > audience x3 via expressive medium x4), which seems far more natural > to me. Oddly. :) > > > audience in this context is "te cusku", correct? :) > > -- > Bob Slaughter, rslauGUESS@WHATmindspring.com > http://www.mindspring.com/~rslau/ > > North Georgia Modurail: http://www.trainweb.org/northgamodurail/ > > "The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing." -- Albert Einstein< > "The price good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men." -- Plato > > --001636e0a4d2e2a19b0481ba2aa8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 07:25, Robert Slaugh= ter <rslau@min= dspring.com> wrote:
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On Sat, 2010-03-13 at 13:28 -0800, Robin Lee Powell wrote: 
smart.fm actually *d=
oes* use whole phrases, like "an expresser" or
"a sayer" for "lo cusku".

What I'm wondering is if it shouldn't instead say "a sayer (pl=
ace 1
of: x1 says x2 for audience x3 via expressive medium x4)".  That is,
have both the short form *and* the place structure. =20

I *really* like this. I think the simple keyword misses a lot of=
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is good about Lojban, and this approach brings place-structures into=20
the fore as well. "cusku" is not really the same as "say&quo=
t;, but=20
something kinda like "say", and this explains what that 'some=
thing' is.


The big advantage there is that instead of saying "an audience of
something said", we can say "an audience (place 3 of: x1 says x2 =
for
audience x3 via expressive medium x4), which seems far more natural
to me.=A0 Oddly.=A0 :)

audience in this context is "te cusku", correct?=A0 :)

--=20
Bob Slaughter, rslauGUESS@WHATmindspring.com

http://www.=
mindspring.com/~rslau/

North Georgia Modurail: http://www.trainweb.org/northgamodurail/

"The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but=
 because of those who look on and do nothing." -- Albert Einstein<
"The price good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ru=
led by evil men." -- Plato

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